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Nightmare for USC

Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:08 AM

Rich Brooks took a lot of flack several days ago for saying that there are “four or five USCs” in the SEC.

 

Well … the Kentucky head coach and former Oregon boss had it right all along.

 

There’s no current on-field evidence to dispute the fact that the Trojans don’t resemble anything superior to LSU, Florida, South Carolina, Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee and Alabama. That’s eight SEC teams and none of them have had back-to-back clunkers like the ones USC has put on exhibit in the past two weeks.

 

So, remind yourself about the wealth of talent stockpiled by Pete Carroll, use your own prejudices against three or four of those SEC teams listed above, throw them out and then you’ve got your own set of schools that Brooks was talking about.

 

I guess the new question to ask him is: “How many Californias are there in your league?” Brooks has got to be impressed with the way the Golden Bears were able to go into Eugene last week to defeat the Duck program that he help build.

 

USC, on the other hand, is the most disappointing team in the country, on either side of lowly Louisville.

 

After getting flagged for 16 penalties and turning over the football three times, the Trojans needed to successfully field an onside kick to hold off a challenge by Washington on Sept. 29. Then, just when you thought the 27-24 victory over a team that finished ninth in the Pac-10 last year was Carroll’s wake-up call, his absolute nightmare came calling on Saturday night.

 

Stanford … yes, Stanford, the only team that finished below Washington last year, somehow upset USC, 24-23. Jim Harbaugh … yes, Jim Harbaugh, the first-year Cardinal coach who has repeatedly made news by making bizarre comments about Carroll and his Trojans, broke USC’s 35-game winning streak at Coliseum. Tavita Pritchard … yes Tavita Pritchard, a sophomore who previously had only one completion on his resume, calmly lofted a 10-yard touchdown pass on fourth down with only 49 seconds remaining to beat the five-time defending Pac-10 champions his first collegiate start.

 

It’s all unbelievably amazing … and entirely unacceptable. But, Carroll has yet to accept responsibility for this debacle. He’s the anti-Lloyd Carr in that respect, opting instead to talk of “new beginnings.” However, the same old schedule still needs to be played.

 

Carroll would never admit it, but he can’t be feeling too good about his team’s upcoming road trips to Eugene and Berkeley … or even South Bend or Tempe for that matter.

 

His team will have to significantly upgrade its performance if it hopes to stay in contention for any sort of title, conference or otherwise, and a major bowl game.

 

Right now, John David Booty looks more like a guy about to lose his starting gig than a Heisman Trophy candidate. His cause wasn’t helped by a finger injury suffered in the second quarter, a feeble running game and receivers plagued by drops, but nevertheless the boo-birds seem to have been targeting him in his own yard.

 

The heavily-hyped Trojan defense hasn’t been on its game either. Allowing Pritchard to convert on fourth-and-20 during the game-winning drive was the latest in several lowlights this season.

 

And the special teams, usually a sub-par after-thought during the Carroll-era, have been further downgraded to become a clear sore spot. A week after a high snap and subsequent blocked punt nearly fouled up the game at Washington, a blocked PAT provided Stanford with its winning margin.

 

But let’s not give all the credit to Rich Brooks for seeing this coming. Don’t forget that Les Miles has already been proven to be at least half right with regard to his previously controversial statement about USC having to “play real knockdown drag-outs with UCLA and Washington, Cal-Berkeley, Stanford.”

 

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you are right, There are 5 or 6 Cal State Bears in the SEC and not USC b/c There is no way any SEC team could lose to Stanford, Harvard, or Yale and the head coach keep his JOB!!!!
Mr. Brooks is 100% correct in his assertion that the SEC is the premiere conference in the NCAA.  When a lame 'Cal' team beat USC in 2003 thus depriving USC of the right to fall to LSU in the championship, the "strength of schedule" component was removed from the BCS matrix.  In 2004 USC was then able to go to a championship and maul Oklahoma while a 12-0 Auburn team got shafted.  (How does Auburn go undefeated and not make it to the title game?!)  The PAC-10 cannot compete with the SEC and thus the BCS matrix has twice been gerrymandered to favor USC.  How cruel it was of Texas to beat USC so they couldn't repeat.  A "three-peat" was impossible as LSU was the 2003 Champions, not USC.  You need a trophy not a newspaper press clipping to claim the title.  The SEC again proved it's point in 2007 when Florida mauled Ohio State.  And now Stanford has beaten USC.  Stanford?!
I can't wait for the UCLA-USC game: it will be an epic battle for the "Most Likely To Waste Potential" award.
What a muddle of a season! While I don't think Stanford will give top teams a run for the money week in and week out, the last couple of weeks show just what it's like to carry the target of a top 10 ranking. I really wish that the conferences could sit down and say "let's do a playoff" -- even for just this year -- to help sort our this mess...I'll take the PAC-10 top-to-bottom over the SEC any day.
As a USC alum and fan, I'm going to have to agree with you 100%! Pete has done well to get us to the recent level of success but I'm afraid he's not done so well in regrouping after adversity; last year he did manage to beat some crappy teams after the Oregon State loss but brought yet again a cocky underprepared team against the rival bruins, and the last 2 weeks have shown he's unwilling to reassess strategy even in the face of poor performances. Booty NEEDS to be thoroughly reevaluated and hopefully benched next week for this team to bounce back.
USC has always been the darling of media hype any time they field a team that shows any signs of life, simply because they are in LA, land of glitz and glamor (not to mention a major media market), and this year I think the Trojans fell too much in love with their own press clippings, because they have forgotten how to play football (if they ever knew how in the first place). Their last two Heisman Trophy winners have been underwhelming NFL players, while Vince Young has been tearing up the league, but that's no surprise--two years ago Leinhart, Bush and Co. did not play one team that could play defense, not even Texas (which had about the worst defense of any national champion in recent memory).  While USC was busy losing to the PAC-10 bottom feeder this weekend, some Midwest teams are playing kick-butt football, with the unlikely names of Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri,and, yes, even Illinois and Indiana.  It's about time the media stop their forty-year habit of salivating over USC and start paying attention to teams that are playing some good football.  A better measure of USC will be their performance against the WORST team in Notre Dame history.
So USC loses one home game in SIX YEARS and Morons like you all the sudden declare that they are no better than your average SEC team.  Did you forget that this SC team which is substantially the same destroyed the SEC West champ last year? Can any of those SEC teams you mentioned say that they have only lost one home game in six years?  Your prejudices against USC are obvious.
Preach on brother, preach on.
Puhlleezze. Why is it when a SEC team loses to a conference opponent it is a tough conference but when a PAC 10 team does the same thing they are weak? Granted, LSU and Florida are tough but Oregon, Cal, ASU and USC are not afraid to play anybody in the country and thus far, have done rather well (ask Colorado, Michigan, Tenn, or Nebraska). We will have 4 teams in the top 10 by next week. Lastly, the coaches in the Pac 10 have too much class to knock on other conferences to the media. That makes the SEC coaches (only a few)look petty, jealous, and already padding the excuse book if they lose...  
IT actually just proves how strong the PAC 10 is if you really look at it.....much the same as the SEC......on any given Saturday a great team can lose if not playing to their strenghts......no difference between the two conferences, only fan support and money invested by boosters......UT's QB is from PAC 10 territory....Cal is probably the fastest team in the country with Oregon right there......either team would run cirlces around Bama and Georgia....Georgia is always been overated, always a top ten recruiting clas, but cant seem to ever come out the SEC as a dominant team....I'll give it to the Gators and even LSU......but les not forget, them Beavers should have beatn the Tigers in Baton Rouge fresh off their share of the national title, and that team wasn't that good.......so SEC freaks, get over yourself and put some Pac 10 bottom feeders on your schedule instead of conference USA team or "The Bowl Sub Division" teams........This year is showing that talent is really everywhere, not just in SEC....
ohh get off their back. The PAC 10 is full of teams that can beat any team in the country.. The SEC is not the top conference or is the BIG12. When they play each other week in and week out in their conference then they can talk. And Craig James and the rest are a bunch of has beens who dont even watch the PAC.
Then what is up with their new AP ranking?
The reason USC lost is because 1) there is (at long last!) some parity in college football when a win by a conference's top teams over the conference bottom-feeder (or even an MAC team or lower division school) is no longer guaranteed--witness Colorado beating Oklahoma; and 2) USC was believing its own press clippings (which has doomed many a team in the past).  USC, to be frank, is a media darling, always has been.  The media love to salivate over the Trojans because they are associated with the glitz and glamor of LA (which, incidently, is a major media market).  The Trojans are so busy basking in the media hype and looking at themselves in the mirror that they have forgotten to play football (if they ever knew how in the first place).  That said, parity is healthy for football and perhaps the media should notice some Midwest teams who are playing some pretty good football, such as Illinois.
The best team with the best coach is Cal.  Jeff Telford took a doormat and has transformed them to #2 in the country with only one five star player (D. Jackson).  They have no choice but to play as a team.  Imagine him coaching at USC or LSU with all that talent.  

USC has tons of talent but too many coaching changes the past three years alone is starting to hurt them, especially Booty.  Lienart had Chow calling the shots like Vince Young currently does in Tenn. and look at how well V. Young is doing.  Chow plays to your strengths and style of play.  Telford is calling the plays for Cal now too and you see the difference from last year, just ask Tenn.  

LSU plays all ranked teams at home except Kentucky.  So, that's a huge advantage is it not.  USC has to play on the road against their's.  I figured Cal would probably get them this year anyway but Oregon is very impressive as well.  Both conferences have tons of speed from top to bottom which makes them the best conferences in the country.  And you better have speed like South Florida did against Aurburn in order give your team a chance to win outside both of these conferences. Ohio State, Michigan and Oklahoma just are not fast enough to keep up.
SEC fans need to chill out.  Yes, you have a good conference right now, but Cal whipped Tennessee, who beat UGA.  I also remember not too long ago West Virginia beating SEC champion UGA in Atlanta.  Losing to a Big East team?  Every conference has its day, right now it is the SEC.  Where were you when Nebraska was beating up on everyone?  It goes in cycles, enjoy it now because someone is waiting to take the crown.
Until there is a playoff system all the talk of which conference is superior is just that, talk.  There seems to be more parity these days in college football and what I've noticed is that inter-conference games tend to be more difficult.  As a great SEC coach once remarked, sure I'd like to beat Notre Dame but I'd much rather beat that cow college on the other side of the state (referring an SEC rival).

The type of parity in college football is exactly what makes it so great.  Would it be as much fun if the same few teams played for the national championship each year?  Nah.  Personally I believe there is a difference in strength of conferences but I also believe that changes from year to year.  I also know that it's virtually impossible to quatify which conference is the strongest so I just allow myself to be biased in favor of the SEC.  I enjoy seeing people attempt to justify their claims that a conference is superior to all others.

The only important question is, is it SATURDAY yet?!

Oh and I submit that the college football season should be extended.  I'd prefer a year-round season personally!!!  :)

Oh and ROLL TIDE!
Honestly, Les Miles is AN Idiot with emphasis on the I.  For hime to just spit on schools such as "Cal-Berkeley" , Washington, & Stanford is plain stupid.  How many of his kids are graduating from LSU?  For that matter what was his graduation rate when he was at Oklahoma State?  This stuff should matter but it doesn't.  These are some of the finest universities in the world.  To get a student athlete that can actually get into these schools and compete on a high level in the classroom and on the field should be commended.  I mean Les Miles is not unlike any other slimey coach (he's going to Michigan in any event)...he'll go into these parents homes, tell them how he cares about them and their family and then he'll leave the school for grander pastures.  But is he helping all the kids he recruits get to grander pastures.  Is he helping them graduate- is he helping them get jobs after their playing days are over?  Probably not-on to the next 16 or 17 year old we can put in front of 90K fans.  I want any SEC Fan to post the graduation rates of all of the SEC schools on this website because I'm really interested to see what they are?  Thanks for the help  !
The football graduationrates for Cal-Berkeley are 44%, at LSU they are 49%.  As for the rest of the schools Auburn 63%, Alabama 44%, Arkansas 55%, Vanderbilt 92%, I'm not posting all of them go check them yourself they're easily to find on google.  Regardless of academic performace, the SEC has much better football teams; although I will give and Cal and USC the complement of saying they would probably have winning seasons even in the SEC, but they would lose 3 or more games.
Sure USC is down this year, but does that mean they weren't a monster team in recent years, including when they HUMILIATED certain highly-ranked SEC teams on the field?  All teams and conferences go through cycles.  Big deal.  That "lame" Cal team people are bagging on wasted the Vols this year.  They barely lost last week with their star QB out the entire game.  Washington is one of the bottom teams in the PAC-10, and anyone who watched the Washington - Ohio State game can see Ohio State needed a lot of luck to put that game away.  They could have lost easily.  Why is it that when a bottom SEC team beats a top SEC team, it means the whole conferences is good, but when a low-ranked PAC-10 team pulls an upset of a highly-ranked PAC-10 team, it means the whole conference sucks.  It just depends on your prejudices.
Funny , Did anyone read the article in College Football Today last tuesday ? It was an article that did a comparison of the SECC teams VS USC . The very surprising conclusion was that Las Vegas odds-makers would favor USC in any game and against every opponent in the SECC.
Their conclusion was that in the " Big " games USC has no equal . ( Texas excluded in 2005 ) They mentioned the Trojans slaughtered Arkansas twice in the last two years and Auburn the year previous.  
USC having tough year,because they did not schedule a weak SEC team,like Arkansas,or Auburn to get them started with an easy win.When is the last time USC lost to SEC.I can't remember,anybody know?
Ever take a history class?
Look up some past facts.

Pac10/SEC are pretty even in bowl game wins.
They also quite even, in fact I believe, exactly even with wins they have against one another in bowl games.
In the past 6 years playing one another, they're even. I believe Cal's win this year against Tenn puts the Pac up by one... The difference. Nearly half the games have been played on SEC turf. So, I ask, who's really better? Both seem to be pretty even. The SEC just needs to grow more balls and play on the west. Tenn did this year. And what happened? Just what I thought. They got their ass kicked!


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