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2 losses = BCS title game

Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:15 PM

When Kirk Gibson limped to the plate and homered in his one and only appearance in the 1988 World Series, Vin Scully said: “In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened!”

 

I heard that famous call in my head this morning after thinking about of how this 2007 college football season might end. Only this time, the Florida Gators were the ones taking advantage of a hanging slider and a handful of one-loss teams were collectively playing the role of the dismayed Oakland Athletics.

 

Yes, in a season that has provided little clarity and even less stability, are you ready for a national champion with two losses? If not, get ready.

 

Sure, the Gators have back-to-back losses to Auburn and LSU on their resume, but with perfection in very short supply in today’s college football and upsets as common as iPhones, losing it what it used to be. Losses are now evaluated like loans, and in some cases forgiven altogether.

 

If the Gators win at Georgia on Saturday and run the table to finish out the regular season as SEC East champs, they’ll likely face LSU in the conference title game. The Tigers could very well be the No. 1 team in the nation at that point and a revenge win by Florida will really carry a lot of weight with the polls.

 

With so many elite teams already tagged with losses, it has fallen upon the human pollsters to make decisions based on personal opinions like never before and we know how dangerous that can be.

 

The computers aren’t any more reliable, running their numbers on strength of schedule and all sorts of other quirky things. When the final BCS rankings get spit out, as many as five teams might be able to make a good case to be included in the national championship game on Jan. 7.

 

If either Ohio State or Boston College is able to stay unbeaten, they’ll be a lock, but if that’s the case, there still will be at least three teams holding its breath for the go-ahead to play in the big one.

 

Even though they’ve already perfected the “rebuilding season,” the top-ranked Buckeyes still have lots of work to do and will have to make it through the gauntlet of the Big Ten’s “best” (at Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois, at Michigan). A loss in any one of those games and Ohio State won’t make it to New Orleans. The only thing weaker than the Big Ten this season is the Buckeyes’ non-conference slate and a two-loss SEC champion would edge out Ohio State.

 

A similar control-your-own-destiny scenario exists for No. 2 Boston College. But the Eagles are their way to losing at Virginia Tech on Thursday night. That loss will send Boston College, which owns non-ACC wins over Army, UMass, Bowling Green and Notre Dame, tumbling out of contention.

 

If Les Miles wins his high-stakes poker match with Nick Saban in Tuscaloosa on Nov. 3, LSU is a good bet to be one of the teams playing for the title, but only if they continue on and run their table, bringing the SEC title to Baton Rouge.

 

Oklahoma and West Virginia are the best bets in the Big 12 and Big East, respectively, and are not likely to be overtaken by a two-loss SEC champ if it comes to that. However, with the way things are going in this topsy-turvy season, it’s hard to expect the expected in any game, let alone a string of five.

 

That is the case even more so in the Pac-10 where Oregon, Arizona State and USC are still in the hunt to grab one of the coveted two slots in the BCS title game, but each team sees the other two still looming on their schedule. And all three still have to play schizophrenic UCLA, as well.

 

It’s looking like the Pac-10 championship will be shared by a pair of teams with two conference losses, especially if the Trojans are able to return to form and leave Eugene with a victory on Saturday.

 

In 2001, Colorado pounded Nebraska, 62-36, in the regular-season finale, beat Texas in the Big 12 title game to avenge a loss to the Longhorns in the middle of the season, but also lost to Fresno State in the season opener. Colorado’s two losses combined with a slew of other upsets late in the season meant that the Cornhuskers undeservingly edged out the Buffs and Pac-10 champion Oregon for the right to get trounced, 37-14, by national champion Miami in the Rose Bowl.

 

With no “Fresno State” in the equation this season, Florida might not only be “Kirk Gibson,” it also might be a more fortunate “Colorado.”

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I couldn't agree more, and I'm happyy to see that somebody is finally coming around.  With the schedule that ALL of the SEC teams have to play, there is no doubt in my mind that a two loss, SEC champ, Florida Gator team deserves to jump several one loss teams with weak schedules to play in the big dance.  Especially if LSU is #1 in the country going into the SEC showdown game.
GO GATORS BABY!! JOIN THE GATOR NATION!!!
i like how everyone gives BC absolutely no respect. when they beat VT, im sure people will still give them no respect. when they go undefeated this year they will still get no respect. someone out there must think they deserve being #2, otherwise they wouldnt be #2. you writers just dont like seeing any other team besides the "usuals" in the top 5 or in the national championship game.
WOW, Tamanaha is really a sports guy????  Penn State over the Buckeyes????  Now ladies and gentlemen, Thats Humor!!!!  People have made livings out of bashing the Big Ten in favor of the SEC, by the way, I do believe that the Buckeyes beat a SEC team in a BCS title game a couple of years ago, forget already???  Seems like they were 9 point underdogs, and the defense was not nearly as good!
2 losses are SUPPOSED to mean you are OUT OF TITLE CONTENTION! Its only because these uf started the season highly ranked, and will be unfair if ANY 1-A squad finishes the season with a loss and gets leapfrogged by UF. Urban Meyer will whine again; lets hope the poll voters keep in mind the unwritten rule about a team with 2 losses...
This message is for you Joe.  You obvously don't know anything about college football.  In any other line of work having an efficiency rate of 55% (44 out of 80 picks)would have you looking for another line of work.
Hey John,
I'm hoping 1.)OSU plays ASU for the Title, 2.)No Big Ten team in the top BCS so LSU and USC play in the Rose Bowl. This game will sell faster than the Title game.
You a betting person?  A beer?  Pizza?  $10.00 to a paypal account?  

Boston Matt Ryan College doesn't lose to Virgina Tech.  Oh, I'm not a fan, I'm from Oklahoma but Ryan goes for the trophy this week.

p.s.  Look forward to your columns.
To Ted Rahm:

Nope, sorry, Miami is not an SEC team.  So far, every SEC team to play in the BCS Championship has won:  Tennessee in 1998, LSU in 2003 and Florida 2006.
For Ted: Sorry Dude, but Ohio State has not beaten an SEC team for the championship anytime in recent memory. The closest they got was Miami, which is not and never was an SEC team. The only time OSU played anSEC team for the title was last year, and we all know how that went. I am a Big12 fan, by the way, and the SEC made us look bad too, so don't think I'm dissing the Big10 or anyone else. Every dog has their day, and for now it is SEC.
The record of tosu vs the SEC is actually 3-10-1.  That's 3 wins, 10 loses and 1 tie.   The buckeyes have lost the last seven games in a row to the "weak" SEC including last year's title game 41-14 to The University of Florida Gators!
ted ur an idiot! osu never beat a sec team in the title, they beat miami hurricanes, im sorry but they have never been in the sec, wow ur a college fan! the luckeyes suck
Ted, exactly which game are you referring to when you say OSU beat an SEC team in a BCS title game?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't OSU 0-8 against SEC teams in Bowl Games.  
Ted Rahm...who are you to tell Tamanaha he is not a sports guy....Miami is not in the SEC and never has been, at the time they lost they were independent, they are now in the ACC.....Any sports guy should know this.
I hear the Peach Bowl and Independence Bowls are still open...
I'm a HUGE Gator fan and alumni. Simple truth... We have 2 losses! Record has to count for something. Yes the SEC is the toughest conference around, but if we win out and there are still Div. 1A teams out there with 1 loss or less they should be dancing in the Big Dance. BC stunned V-tech last night. In Blacksburg. It's hard to see tham losing 2 more games with their schedule. OSU will lose 1 of their remainig, but probably not 2. Oklahoma is hanging around w/1 loss and it's doubtful they'll drop another. ASU? I'll be glad to see my young and talented Gators at a bowl game in New Orleans this January.  It'll be the Sugar Bowl and we'll play it a week before they crown a national champ. It's a pretty good bet that one of those two games will feature the Heisman Trophy winner at quaterback.
I can see the possibility of UF going to the championship game, but it is doubtful with the current records of BC and OSU. As things may change with upsets or injury, i am just stating you can't count them out just yet. Also on a Heismann note, if you don't vote T. Tebow as the best and most electric player in college right now, which is what that trophy is about, you should have your head checked.
Ted,

OSU did NOT defeat an SEC team for the national championship, they defeated Miami, part of the ACC.  Since the full BCS was instituted in 1998, three separate teams from the SEC have won that game, Tennessee, LSU, and Florida. Two from the Big 12 and ACC (Oklahoma, Texas) (Miami, FSU), and one each from the Big 10 (OSU) and Pac 10 (USC).  Get your facts straight.
Every year the Big Ten beats the SEC in end of year bowl matchups -- Big Ten winning percentage around .600 over this century

Last year the Big Ten was also considered weak and they went 2-1 against the SEC.  (Congrats to Florida to beating a more talented Buckeye squad -- just look at NFL draft to confirm Buckeye talent advantage, heck Leak not even in NFL anymore)

So the best evidence we have suggests the Big Ten is better, yet people believe otherwise.  At very least, no rationale person would believe SEC is better.
Ted, I think your information is incorrect. The last time Ohio State played for a BCS title before getting whooped by Florida last year, was against Miami. Last time I checked Miami was not in the SEC.
This response is to Mike.  
  Having beaten only ONE BCS ranked team, and having it be a HUGE gift before Christmas from the Hokies (talk about changing the defensive game plan in the last 2 minutes and GIFTWRAPPING the game, hence  snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory), Boston College better relish that BCS #2 ranking for as long as the BCS insists on not paying attention.  
  Now don't get me wrong, I'm no Eagle basher by any stretch of the imagination, and the lack of respect is certainly not of BC's doing, but let's not fall into the trap of UNBEATEN = RANKING = GREATNESS.  
  We can equate (although not in talent) the BC team with another current New England football team whose name I need not mention but plays on Sundays.  Their ability to claim a top spot by virtue of the fact that they are unbeaten, is offensive.  Especially when considering that they both play in exceptionally weak conferences / divisions, and have each beaten only two decent teams all season.  And while the NFL hype is solely about the media and sportscasters, I presume somewhere in the BCS computer model there must be a weighting factor for beating up on the helpless & hapless (e.g. Army, UMass, Bowling Green, and last but not least Notre Dame).  
 Both in and out of conference, BC's schedule is weak (I'm being generous), and while I'll concede that at the time of the Georgia Tech win, Tech was nationally ranked, it was week 2, and then they YellowJackets quickly departed the pattern (aviation term equal to "left the building") never to return this season.  
  So what is the answer about BC getting the respect they so richly deserve?  Perhaps we'll have to wait until a BCS Bowl Game, perhaps even the National Championship Game should they get the nod.  For now, it's probably more important knock off the Rodney Dangerfield schtick to keep from dodging all those "we told you so's" about BC once the season ends.  
Hey Ted,

Ohio State beat an ACC team (Miami) for the BCS championship when your buddy Maurice Clarett was in the backfield.

If you recall, 10 months ago your OSU was embarrased on national tv by a supposedly inferior SEC team.

Oh how quickly the midwesterner's forget.
The SEC is any better than any other conference.  I'm tired of hearing about it.  If OSU wins out then they should go over a 2 loss or a 1 loss SEC team.  This shouldn't even be a discussion.
No, no, no.  Miami has not won a national championshiop since it began playing ACC conference games in 2004.  When Miami beat OSU for the NC in 2003, the Canes were still in the Big East.  Then they joined to ACC and oh-so deservedly went into a tailspin.
Actually, Ohio State beat a Big east team. Miami was not part of the ACC in the 2001 season. They did not join the ACC until 2004.
John,

This week you can write 3 losses=BCS for Gators.  I know why not 12 losses =BCS for Gators.  Since we love the gators, why does winning even matter.  Go Dawgs!!
I am tired of hearing about the SEC being better than any other conference.  Always a excusing their loss record as being against tough internal competition.  The PAC 10 has the same reputation.  You have your bottom teams as well - try Miss St.  And you also have your share of small team competition within the SEC:
Louisiana – Monroe
North Texas
Chattanooga
Florida International
Tennessee Tech
Kent State
Florida Atlantic
Tulane
Memphis
Gardner-Webb
UAB
LA-Lafayette
Richmond
Eastern Michigan
Miami Ohio
There are also tough teams at the top of other conferences.  The fact that you are on the east coast and get most of the media coverage is also an advantage, but that doesn't mean a thing to the SEC biased fans.  Get a life there are other teams out there.  Wins your games and stp making excuses for two losses.  LSU came close to losing more than once and their play was often sloppy.  If they lose twice they should be out of it.  It is a gift that they are rated ahead of no loss teams.  I am an SEC and PAC 10 fan.  I went to schools in both conferences.
Maybe Ohio State can't beat SEC teams when it counts.  But there is a Big Ten team that can and does.  Its Penn St and they seem to have a tradition of beating Tennessee.....


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