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LSU, OU most worthy of title game

Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:27 AM

We should have seen this coming.  But at the same time, we’ve been expecting the madness to subside. It obviously hasn’t and the 2007 season has been a constant downpour of shockers and shakeups.

 

Now, after 14 erratic weeks of college football, we’re left with a virtual free-for-all.  On Sunday, the combination of computers and pollsters will spit out the names of two teams that will play for the BCS title on Jan. 7, but it’ll be far from definitive … and highly controversial.

 

There are a handful of worthy candidate, perhaps even as many as seven, but only two will get invited to the championship bout in the Superdome.

 

LSU will probably rise way up from No. 7 to lockup one of those two spots … and rightfully so.

 

The champion of the SEC, the toughest conference in the country, should always receive prime consideration for the title game. Both of LSU’s losses came in triple-overtime, which means that the Tigers are pretty much the closest thing we’ve got to an undefeated team this side of the Hawaiian Islands.

 

LSU should be matched up against Big 12 champion Oklahoma, which dismantled No. 1 Missouri, 38-17, on Saturday. Champions of another league that proved itself this season, the Sooners did lose two conference games, but both were on the road and somewhat explainable (fluky late turnover at Colorado, quarterback Sam Bradford hurt early at Texas Tech).

 

A Tiger-Sooner showdown in New Orleans would leave five teams on the outside looking in, but they really only have themselves to blame.

 

One of those hopefuls is Georgia, which began the week at No. 4 in the BCS Standings. But the Bulldogs aren’t conference champions and didn’t even win the SEC East.

 

The same can be said of Kansas, which was No. 5 this week and not a participant in the Big 12 Championship Game.

 

(The BCS really ought to adopt a new rule that requires the title game participants be conference champions.  A travesty like the one that occurred in 2001 when Nebraska got the nod over Big 12 champion Colorado and Pac-10 champion Oregon needs to be avoided at all costs.  The Cornhuskers, who lost to the Buffaloes, 62-36, on the final weekend of the regular season and didn’t even participate in the Big 12 Championship Game, got routed by Miami, 37-14, in what was a hollow national title contest.)

 

Another worthy candidate is Virginia Tech, but the Hokies lost to LSU, 48-7, earlier this season. Yes, that was in Week 2 and Virginia Tech is a vastly improved squad at the current time.  However, head-to-head comparisons should count for something when they are available.

 

How about Ohio State? Well, when your most impressive victory outside Big Ten play was against four-win Washington, you must go undefeated in that conference. The Buckeyes did not.

 

Others will make a case for USC, which is playing as well as anyone right now, particularly defensively. But when you blow a game to a 41-point underdog, all your legs to stand on go with it.

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Both teams lost twice.
Oklahoma??? You have got to be kidding! The last time Oklahoma played LSU in New Orleans they got totally blown out of the building, and from what I've seen of this year's team there is absolutely no reason to think it won't happen again. When USC lost to Stanford hteir QB was playing with a thumb injury that completely hampered his effectveness, and they still almost won that game. USC is the ONLY team in the country right now that might be able to give LSU a good game in New Orleans. LSU blew Virginia Tech away in Baton Rouge and the Hokies chance of doing any better in New Orleans isn't much better. As for Ohio State, we all saw how overrated they were last year, and they are even worse this year.
Yeah - Sure.  LSU almost lost again.
Yeah - Sure.  LSU almost lost again.
The controversy over who the best football team in the nation each year will always be untill a playoff is worked out.Top 8 teams play off.In 3 weeks a national champ. Rotate game sites amoung bowls like BCS now. There is no controversy in basketball.  
The Virginia Tech Hokies deserve it, plus they're the sentimental favorite with the Virginia Tech shooting tragedy. They're only two losses were to ranked teams, LSU lost to UNRANKED Arkansas. USC also lost to an UNRANKED team. With no clear winner, why not give it to the sentimental pick that would make a great national story.
Your bias against OSU is utterly absurd.

Second straight Big Ten championship.

OSU is the only one-loss conference champion from a major conference in the country.

OSU was ranked # 1 for four weeks this year.

OSU beat four ranked teams this year (Wisconsin, Penn St., Purdue, and Michigan) and their one loss came to an Illinois team ranked in the top 15.

OSU clinched their conference championship by winning their rivalry game on the road - ask West Virginia if records matter in a rivalry game.

So please, don't tell me how LSU who lost to KU and AK and barely beat, well almost everyone else they played (AL, Auburn, TN, and FL all leap to mind) were the class of college football this year.

Oklahoma did have a great year - not counting losing to Colorado and Texas Tech who are both unranked.

While you can make an argument that eiter of those teams deserves to play for the BCS title AGAINST OSU, it it ridiculous to say that either of those teams deserve to bump OSU out of the picture.
LSU clearly climbed the highest mountain and should be in the game.
FOR cfjunkie  
NOW MISSOURI HAS A PAST PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT WORTH TALKING ABOUT. SAMS THE MAN CHASE IS A POSER.
OU 38 POISERS 17
BOOMER
Spell check--- "...lock-up on of those two sports..."?
I think you are right and I agree, OU and LSU seem to be the best teams right now.  In all fairness, it is easy to imagine that if Bradford had not been taken out of the Texas Tech game, OU would be unquestionably at the top right now.  But the coaches made that choice, to protect Bradford's health.  It would be a shame if protecting a man's health was the reason that the Sooners might be denied a chance to be in the title game.  If that occured, the voters would essentually be sending a message that the health of players is second to winning at all costs.
BOOMER!
LSU lost twice to unranked teams, LSU should not even to be ranked in top 10.
head-to-head comparisons should count for something then Arkansas should be number two team.
It should be OSU and USC. Just look at it logically. They are the best two teams in the country. LSU squeaked by 4 games which it should have lost, including Sat with Tenn.
If you want the best choose USC to play.
I'm a Bulldog fan, and I'd love to see them get to the game, but I doubt they will.  I'll lick my wounds, but I won't complain too much.  I do think it's absurd to suggest that Ohio State should stay home.  They didn't play anyone at the start of the season, and that started all the talk about their weak schedule, but they played some real teams coming down the stretch.  Look at who Oklahoma played.  They had two wins against a painfully overrated Missouri, and they beat an erratic Texas by a 4th quarter touchdown.  Then they lost to two very weak teams in Colorado and Texas Tech.  Illinois may have been unranked when they beat Ohio State, but they're a real team.  Do I think Ohio State desrves to play? -- Absolutley.  Do I think Oklahoma has a claim to go there ahead of them? -- That's silly.  Do I wish that Geogia could get into the game ahead of LSU? -- Sure.  But before anybody thinks of sending Oklahoma to the National Championship game, it had better be the Bulldogs.
I would have to agree with the fact that Oaklahoma and LSU is probably the top two teams if you look at the way they play.  I was pulling for WVU but if they can't come up with a win when it counts they are not worthy to play on a bigger field.  I think if we wanted to see a game that came down to the wire and maybe even an overtime battle that Oaklahoma and LSU would be the best picks for that battle.
You're obviously a big school/conference snob and a huge proponent of the current travesty called the BCS. As the BCS would have it the best records are the number one criteria. If that were not true then explain Missouri, Kansas, West Virginia, South Florida... So since the BCS does put the emphasis on record followed by conference champion then this is a no brainer. It should be OSU and Hawaii. Let's hope Hawaii wins. This will bring down the curtain on this crap load called the BCS. However, the BCS, while a bunch of egotistical morons, has to go into survival mode. They have no choice but to pick OSU/Hawaii because there's just no way Hawaii can beat OSU. Right? Right? Remember Boise State and OU? C'mon Hawaii! That will end the BCS and there will have to be an eight team single elimination playoff system. Computers don't decide national champions. Those who say this is too many games are just as ignorant. There's already talk of a "one plus" format. That's just "one less" than the playoff format. The arguements against it are weak and will always leave controversy. What we really want is a champion decided on the field.
As much as Ohio State "may not deserve" to get in, they seem to be the only true lock in the entire BCS system.  Ohio State will be in the National Title game, most likely against LSU.  Oklahoma looked great last night, but it won't be enough to push them to the title game.

Here are my predictions: http://www.sportsagentblog.com/?p=868
John , Your arguments for LSU and OU  make a lot of sense , but this season defies logic . How can a Va Tech team get a nod over LSU and who really believes OHIO St is as good as either USC or OU .What a mess .
While I'm a solid OU fan, I don't apologize for wanting to see OU in the title game.  However, if I were a Hawaii supporter, I would be screaming from the top of every volcano right now wanting to know why Hawaii isn't being considered for one of the slots in the title game.  OU / LSU would be an exciting game -- one that would allow OU a chance to redeem itself from it's title loss to LSU a few years back -- and I hope it does come about like that but it wouldn't be the end of the controversy as to who should be there in the first place.  No matter what, when you have seasons like this year, no decision will be perfect and any decision will leave some people scratching their heads wondering why.
Is there another undefeated team in the country? Hawaii should get a shot.

Or at least even just a mention in this blog.

Why doesn't ANYONE think that a team that has swept the table should at least get a chance, especially in a season where no other team seems to want to win?
Based on this article by  it Tamanaha looks like MSNBC's sports commentary is about as lame as its political commentary.  The Buck's loss in the Big Ten is the result of an indisputable referee error leading to an Illinois touchdown.  Don't look to the quality of play, just the W-L.  But then Tamanaha is wrong again.  OSU is still the only one loss contender.  Tamanaha-ha is an idiot.
Agree with this assessment, especially when considering LSU also won the title game without it's starting quarterback and star defensive player who's been hurt since the Auburn game, and while Tennessee played a game with no penalties (hard to believe), still found a way to win. A true test of a championship caliber team that overcame all the distractions of coaching change rumors, and injuries.
OU now #1 in Saigarin Ratings

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm
You are an idiot. OSU deserves it over anyone.
i think that  ur right completely right
All this guy Tamanaha does is lose his own credibility by excluding Ohio State which is a lock for the NC. He needs to get on the reality train.

JC
LSU deserves to be #1? What everyone fails to mention is that LSU's 2 losses in triple overtime were to UNRANKED teams. Throw in a lackluster win versus Auburn who could have beat them, and a gift-wrapped win versus Alabama who SHOULD have beat them and your looking at a team that very well could be 8-4. After all of that, now I'm supposed to believe that a team that has failed to hold on to the #1 spot twice this season deserves to jump 6 spots from #7 to #1 based on a less than stellar victory against Tennessee? I don't know why there is this blind love affair with the SEC, but I do know that 2 losses to unranked teams should exclude you from the national championship game.
The Big 12 had three teams ranked in the top 5 and two at #1.  Of those loses, all were to Big 12 conference teams.  Oklahoma won the Big 12 South Division + the Big 12 Titile and destroyed the #1 team in the process.  No one thought after the Kansas game that a defense could stop Mizzu.  Major converence title  AND obliterarting the #1 team should vault Oklahoma to the title game.  I want to see that defense play the ring.  How bout freshman Sam Bradford?  Wow!!
I agree. LSU is in the hardest conference. When teams like Missouri are number 1...look who they play.
I hope no one pays you to write his pap! Your LSU vs OU logic? is idiotic! The problem is the BCS! Its exsitence is flawed, has been from day 1. No 2 loss team should be playing for any championship when there is an undefeated top 25 team and a few one loss teams to choose from.Your LSU non conference win jab at Ohio State was moronic,who did LSU beat out of conference? 3 sub-.500 teams! A win is a win no matter who you play.OSU lost to unranked Illnois,LSU lost to unranked Arkansas. BFD! LSU also lost to Kentucky,which would have been the equivalent of OSU losing to Wisconsin,which didn't happen. So who should be there? Hawaii and one of the oneloss teams...take your pick!
big 12 has the best teams period !!!!!!! Oklahoma should be in the championship game !!!!
The BCS system certainly stinks. This year is a great example of how there needs to be a playoff system involving several team from the top 10-12 teams. However, it is what it is. Based on the ridiculous way teams get ranked depending on when they lose in the year, OSU deserves to go to the BCS title game. Just because their schedule isn't as tough as others makes no difference since the rankings are determined by people who practice the "what have you done lately for me" technique.
The Pac 10, Big 10 and Big East could help this problem and have a Conference Championship. Conference President & leaders need to realize you can have TRADITON with the need for change. Like Overtime & Instant replay and other additions to the Game. But in a system that won't let the final Decision to be decided on the FIELD by players! I would have to say Ohio State vs LSU
Oklahoma is a good team, but let us not forget they lost to a "horrible" Colorado team and an average Texas Tech team.  Gotta take care of business every week.  
The only undefeated Major NCAA football team is University of Hawaii.  Colt Brennan threw for 495 yds and 5 tds and ran for another last week. This week he threw for another 5 tds.  The only way that Hawaii can play against quality teams is if the NCAA sets up a true payoff system.  Otherwise they will settle for beating LSU in their backyard, after traveling 3400 miles.
Excellent analysis, but unfortunately I don't think enough people are listening. LSU lost with healthy starters on their home field to an unranked team. If they deserve to be in the National Championship game, the Sooners certainly do. Ohio State will just show up and get drummed by whoever else is there.
There is clearly one team that isn't deserving in this mess--Ohio State.  They should be punished for intentional cupcake scheduling, and playing in the most boring and overrated conference in the land--the "big" 10.  They should not be rewarded for doing nothing for two weeks while the good teams in tough conferences beat up on each other in championship playoff games.  LSU is clearly deserving--the SEC champ should be #1 and we should realize that nobody would likely emerge from the SEC meat grinder unbruised. OSU would have at least 4 losses if they played in the SEC, and 3 if they played in either the Big-12 or Pac-10 and had a nonconference schedule that passed the laugh test.  Cupcake scheduling should not be rewarded.  Its poor precedent--just imagine the message this sends to other major conference teams. But, its going to be fun watching LSU cream (and I mean cream) these guys.  LSU 42, OSU 10.
John - in light of yesterday's events and today's pending controversy, can you present the argument against a playoff system? Why is college football the ONLY sport that determines a championship through polls and not on the field? I know the answer ($$$$), but I wish someone who could affect change in the system would admit that and put to rest the fans' desires for a football championship determined through a playoff tournament? Why can't bowl games still exist with playoffs? Outside of the BCS title game, the bowls are insignificant postseason exhibitions anyway.
OSU is the unanimous #1 in all polls, yet you mention them last with little explanation to your reasoning.  You should stick to covering women's filed hockey.  
OU's losses are explainable...how about ohio state's loss to Illinoius...the first touch-down was certainly a fumble and ohio state got it back...isn't it explainable loss???
If LSU follows their usual script, it will be a ratings bonanza for TV. Last second win or loss, a nail biter for sure.
Having lived in Florida for twenty-five years and seen SEC football and the accompanying mania, I think I can say without hesitation that nobody in the SEC would want Hawaii or USC right now. We moved to Hawaii early this year and witnessed some fantastic football and Hawaii deserves to be recognized. The best game on the West Coast would be Hawaii vs USC. THAT would be a great game. Illinois? Give me a break, but that is likely what will happen, and the Warriors will be forced to travel all the way to New Orleans. Playoffs anyone?
Excellent points, USC is playing well coming back from a hurt squad early on, lost to an unranked 41 point underdog,(visions of WV/Pitt) LSU was hurt late in season and came on early, but still won SEC Championship.  Good point LSU never lost in regulation, should count for something and against two teams that were ranked during the season. OU is a sound team, and has a good case, but not good enough as MIZZOU and Kansas were both overrated, their schedule reflects so. VT, hats off, made a great season in Beating BC, but did loose to LSU by 41 points. OSU, a joke when in the Big Ten it is a one game conference, Michigan vs OSU, sad, and even worse with no playoff game. Please note OSU started the season with two powder puff teams, Youngstown State and Akron, ooooh. Something has to be done about that conference, at least some out of conference tough teams Please!!!
Some comments in this article just sound ignorant. From the article: "(The BCS really ought to adopt a new rule that requires the title game participants be conference champions.  A travesty like the one that occurred in 2001 when Nebraska got the nod over Big 12 champion Colorado and Pac-10 champion Oregon needs to be avoided at all costs.  The Cornhuskers, who lost to the Buffaloes, 62-36, on the final weekend of the regular season and didn’t even participate in the Big 12 Championship Game, got routed by Miami, 37-14, in what was a hollow national title contest.)" -
So, since Notre Dame is not in a conference they would never be eligible for a National Championship game. This type bias commentary is part of what is wrong with the ratings system today.
"The champion of the SEC, the toughest conference in the country, should always receive prime consideration for the title game." --John Tamanaha

Wow.  So the SEC champion is basically the de facto national champion in your opinion, is that what you mean John?  So why bother with the farce of a title game, we should just hold an annual crowning of the SEC winner.

When conference strength is judged by BCS ranked opponents, and every season your conference begins (before a game has even played!) with the most teams assigned a ranking...that's a lot of "extra points" already awarded the SEC with respect to title game participation.

American bigotry at its finest, don't you think?  BCS schools have fluky "down" years, whereas non-BCS teams are considered flukes when having "up" years.  That's classic elitism strategy in class warfare, using casual dismissal to combat the idea of parity.

As the BCS elites are well aware, the "lack" of parity in college football allows them to coast through lackluster seasons while continuing to enjoy the perks of being a school with "tradition."  They only have to field a real squad once in a while to remain in the aristocracy.  

And it will remain like this until people like you stop diminishing non-BCS victories over the royalty by calling them "explainable losses." You're trying to justify the fact some schools are allowed to be national champions even if they lose, whereas other universities can't earn the same rewards no matter how much they win.
LSU does NOT deserve to go to the Championship game, OU proved that they are the team to beat.
Well another great year of college football has came down to the last day to decide who will play in the national title game,so called talent is the great equilizer in college,any team on any given day can defeat a team that has been hyped or put on a pedistal as unbeateable.This is what make college football the game that it is.What a geat year of college football.........
I'm an Oklahoma fan and resident.  I think it should be noted, make that shouted from rooftops, that Oklahoma had already DEFEATED Missouri during regular season play before we DEFEATED them again in the Big 12 Championship when they were the "#1 ranked team in the nation"! I am not very knowledgeable about the BCS, or sports in general, but in my opinion, that title game didn't even need be played - because were ALREADY the winners by default!  That being said, I don't think OU is ready for a Championship game this year.  I'm still stinging from our last two attempts. We obviously didn't have any business being at those two either.  But next year - watch out!!!

I also wanted to comment on Missouri's smug quarterback and how much pleasure I got watching him pout, shake his head in disgust, etc. etc. during the game last night.  But that wouldn't be very kind of me expecially given the time of year, so instead I'll muster up some restraint keep those thoughts to myself.


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