ABOUT THIS BLOG

John Tamanaha

MSNBC.com contributor John Tamanaha tackles the hot topics in college football. From title contenders and Heisman hopefuls to coaches on the hot seat and recruiting battles, no issue is out of bounds.



'Plus one' playoff would've solved little

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:46 PM

Due to the way the most recent season ended, talk of establishing a playoff has shifted into high gear.

An eight-team playoff bracket like the one proposed by University of Georgia president Michael Adams is too much of a leap and too harmful to the significance of the bowl system.  But it’s not out of the question down the road.  It’s more likely that a “plus one” scenario will serve as an intermediate step, following the 2010 regular season.

With that in mind, it makes sense to look at how such a scenario would have applied itself to the recently completed season.  Would it have helped to clean things up?  Judge for yourself and let me know.

First of all, I’ll make some logical assumptions:

1) The Rose Bowl, Pac-10 and Big Ten come to their senses and agree to play ball.

2) The current bowl system will be utilized in a respectful fashion.

3) Semifinal games will rotate among the Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta Bowls (in this example, it will be the Rose and Orange, determined by the fact that they are next in line to host championship games).

4) The championship game will rotate and be played at one of the bowl sites, much like in the current BCS format (in this example, the Louisiana Superdome).

5) Each of the four major bowls will have no role in the national championship bracket once every four years, after hosting the championship game the year before (in this example, it’s the Fiesta’s turn).

So after the 2007 regular season and the conference championship games, the seeding would have been (if you went by the final BCS Rankings):

No. 1 – Ohio State
No. 2 – LSU
No. 3 – Virginia Tech
No. 4 – Oklahoma

Notice that there’s no Georgia or USC, which were ranked fifth and seventh, respectively.  Therefore, there’s already reasonable doubt that an agreed upon national champion would be determined.

But, let’s soldier on.

The top-seeded Buckeyes would have hosted fourth-seeded Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl, which, of course, retains its precious traditional ties to the Big Ten.

In the other semifinal, second-seeded LSU would have taken on third-seeded Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl.  That is highly unappealing since the Tigers mauled the Hokies, 48-7, in the second week of the season.  Virginia Tech was certainly a much different team at the end of the season, but in the grand scheme of things, that game would be something short of a credible national semifinal.

The Fiesta Bowl, since it would be the game with the least involvement in the “playoff” process, would likely get the benefit of the first non-bracketed selection in an attempt to maintain some sort of relevance.  However, it probably would have to pair that team against the fourth pick.

Why?

Because the worst case scenario for this type of “plus one” concept is a series of events that tempt the voters in the Associated Press poll to vote for a team other than the one that won two postseason games, thus creating a split national title.  They’ll never admit it, but the people that ultimately take control of this (and those currently running the BCS) don’t want the “other” games to be too attractive.

The Fiesta Bowl would jump out of its skin and choose USC.  But it wouldn’t get to pair the Trojans against Georgia as many fans would have liked.

With the second pick, the Sugar would have taken the Bulldogs, satisfying its thirst for an SEC squad and guaranteeing a good gate … and, of course, lessening the chance of split title.

Georgia’s opponent would have likely been Big East champion West Virginia.  As it turned out, that would have been a good game, and there wouldn’t have been any empty seats in the Mountaineer sections.

So, if qualification standards similar to what the BCS currently uses were utilized -- which would be wise in an effort to avoid pesky lawsuits -- USC would have been left with Hawaii, the undefeated WAC champ, in the Fiesta.  Surely, the Warriors and Trojans would have closed their seasons in similar fashion to what actually occurred earlier this month in a pair of BCS yawners.

Granted, the 2007 season was messy and atypical, but you have to admit, the “plus one” wouldn’t have solved very much.  So, to use it as example to invoke change is misguided.

Judging by the actual postseason, Ohio State and LSU would have likely continued on their collision course and there would have still been a lot of grumbling.

MAIN PAGE

Email this EMAIL THIS

Comments

I agree completely.  The plus one would have had to feature both USC and Georgia to make everyone happy.  

Perhaps the best solution would be to keep the current bowl system and add a four team playoff with the four teams holding the highest post-bowl rankings.  This would have left us with a Georgia v USC game followed by a LSU v OhioSt or Missouri game.

Can't everyone just be happy with the 12 (previously 11) game season and a bowl?  Why is there a thirst for a national champion?  Does it somehow benefit the student athletes, where only about 80 out of 2200 exiting Division IA athletes every year make the roster of an NFL team?  I think not.
Say what you will about the outcome not changing this year with a plus one playoff.  The fact is that it wouldn't have ended any worst than it did.
You can't judge the plus one by looking at just one year.  In many cases in the past it would have definitely cleared the air on who was the best team in the country.
Why not run a final BCS poll after the bowl games and then make the Championship selection at that time.  Much more information, and a better selection process.  Why not keep the options open for such teams as Georgia and USC?  You don't need to designate two games as semifinal games and minimize the importance of the other two bowl games in the plus-1 format.
everyone is missing this one. use the current bowl system as the playoff qualifier. designate one of the bowl games as the championship game. there would be no extra weeks in between the end of the season and the championship game. so easy a caveman can do it.
Based on the way things played out this post season, I also believe OSU and LSU would’ve probably met in the championship, and of course we know what happens next.  However, I disagree that there would’ve been much grumbling… legitimate, that is.  USC probably would’ve rolled, and UGA and WVU would’ve given us another thriller like a couple years ago, but those teams left out would’ve only had to beat 1 top tier team at the end, versus beating 2 top tier teams, like LSU would’ve done.  UGA, WVU, and USC all would’ve been in the top 4 if they hadn’t lost 2 games, so it’s their fault…Period.  The only real buster would’ve been if Hawaii beat USC and stayed undefeated.  They would then get the same respect, or lack thereof, as Utah did a few years back.  The 4 team playoff would’ve been, and would continue to be, a huge improvement.  Not perfect, but 4 times better than what we’ve got.
Is Colt brennan going to drafted in the first round of the NFL draft? We all know he had a bad game in the sygar bowl but the o line broke down. he can't block for himself and he can't be resposible for 8 sacks. Even Tom Brady would have a bad game givin the circumstances.
The proposal isn't for a plus one but for an 8 team playoff numbnuts!  With 8 teams, then there can be no arguments.  If a team can't make the top 8 in the polls, then they have no arguments period.  I don't care if they got screwed from #8 because one thing is certain, no ranked team #9 and lower have ever been accused of missing out on the national championship.  That's in all history. Only the #3 - maybe #7, which is a long stretch can say they should have been in the NC game.  No one will ever care if a team got screwed out of the final 8 and it'll be forgotten about when the playoffs start.  too many teams get screwed over with biased pollsters vying for the two top spots.  Getting 8 teams will counter the biasness and unfair and unintelligent polling.  
why are UGA and SC so angry? dont like sitting at home during the championship? dont lose to stanford at home and dont lose by 3 touchdowns to your division rival. its a harsh reality that only 2 teams get a shot at the final prize, but deal with it. if you win all your games like auburn did in 04, then i will listen to you getting screwed, but not when you have 2, 2! loses.
the process would work a bit differently if there was a plus one. just like now, before the final polls are due for BCS, harris/coaches polls will modify them as to who they want to see in the tourney. just as LSU rose from 7 to 2 b/c they were the 'most deserving.' still, i cant see UGA making the cut unless its 8 team format, but atleast the left coast darling USC would make it!!
I think the current system is fine. When you look at the championship teams that got the rings in the past ten years, you should've agreed they were the best teams/ one of the best teams at the time. Everybody thinks their favorite teams could have a better chance if the system is changed by this and that. Check out the records, then don't you also agree the best solution would be keep winning games and stay being undefected(Division IA)especially at the closing stage of season when you're supposed to be in best shape which the best team is supposed to take on and win on all challenges? It's College Football afterall, it's for students athletes to compete and learn to be ready for their next steps no matter they wanna go pro or not. "Tradition" and "Pride" are the root and it's far more important than blamming they system flaws.
The obsession with a playoff that will eventually lead to an end of college football as the great game it is never ceases to amaze me. It's not the NFL and doesn't need to be. You don't get number one draft choices for finishing last. Everyone's not in neat, generic divisions. A playoff will lead to an elite group of teams and a bunch of have and have nots.
The Problem with designating a National Champion (best team) is complicated, but one thing needed BEFORE a playoff is to allow inter-conference play PRIOR to the playoff, Teams that have an easy "pre" season (Ohio State) and then only play in their conference gives all of us a skewed look at their talent. The bowl system should be played earlier and feature inter-conference play. From that you pick the top 4 and have two weeks of great football. If that happened this year you would have ended with LSU, Georgia, USC, and West Virginia - obviously the 4 teams that ended the season the strongest. They match off with the winners to ppay the next week for the championship.  Thanks
The playoff season in college football begins on the first game of the season for every team. After a  brutal season usually 2 teams have the credentials to play in the championship game. Georgia didnt win the sec AND USC has to wait till next year. Playoffs dont usually tell us who the best team is. Ask Tony Romo.
John is right (note above) the system can be devleoped but I believe we are held back by two conferences that really want their traditional bowl match ups to stay as-is.  Until the PAC and BIG 10 leadership gets on board we will continue with this for some time to come.
keep it as is. it give's us something to talk about all year long.
The problem with a plus 1 this year and any other is the final BCS rankings.  Va Tech was the turd in the punchbowl this year, how in the world did that crap wad get ranked so high, So. Cal should have been top 4.  If the system is going to slice its own throat out of the gate like that, there is no hope for any playoff.
The problem with a plus 1 this year and any other is the final BCS rankings.  Va Tech was the turd in the punchbowl this year, how in the world did that crap wad get ranked so high, So. Cal should have been top 4.  If the system is going to slice its own throat out of the gate like that, there is no hope for any playoff.
Despite being a Georgia fan, my problem with the BCS championship is not what happened this year. A national championship team doesn't lose to the SC Shamecocks! But what about an undefeated Auburn being totally left out several years ago?  Any team that goes undefeated in the SEC should have a shot at the national championship!
I'm not as certain that, with a 4-team playoff (aka "plus-one" system), that we would see the same top 4 teams that we wound up with this year going into the bowl games.  Remember that the voters know now that the top 2 are the only ones with a chance to win the championship, so in that last vote, they vote in such a way to get the teams that they feel are most deserving. Being #4 is no better than being team #5 right now. But with a 4-team playoff, the voters would apply the same thought process that they do with the 2-team system we have now, and my hunch is that they may have decided to punish Virginia Tech (for losing badly to LSU) enough to knock them out of the top 4, allowing Georgia to remain in the top 4.  Then the only team that a lot of people (especially in the media) that would be left out would be USC, but when you lose, at home, to 4-8 Stanford, then tough luck, see you next year.  
Not sure if playoffs really solve anything.  For example...who is a better team the Dallas Cowboys or the NY Giants.   Logic would say that a team that wins 2 of 3 in head to head is the better team yet Dallas is now out of the playoffs and the Giants is in the NFC championship.  Fans love to believe that their team would win it all given a playoff.  I for one still believe LSU of 06 is a better team than 07 and may have won it all given a playoff.  But with that said...they did not earn the right to play for the championship.   Take a look at the following and draw your own conclusion which team earned the right to play for the national title.

2007 Record vs. Teams FINISHING in the AP Top 15 :

(1) LSU 5-0
(2) Georgia 2-1
(3) USC 0-0
(4) Missouri 1-2
(5) Ohio State 0-1
(6) W. Virginia 1-0
(7) Kansas 1-1
(8) Oklahoma 3-1
(9) Virginia Tech 1-2
(10) BC 1-1
(11) Texas 0-1
(12) Tennessee 1-2
(13) Florida 1-3
(14) BYU 0-0
(15) Auburn 1-2

  Rg Lutz and C. Almon have it right.  USC you all have got to beat Stanford to have a beef this year.  All we need to do is eliminate a pre-season game, have an 11-game season for all the teams.  Then use a less biased BCS type system and do the 8 - 4 - 2 =Champs with the title Bowl Game rotating =very simple!!!
The reason it wouldn't have worked this year (at least the part concerning UGA) is that Les Miles convinced both poll voters to jump conference champions over UGA.  Otherwise Virginia Tech and Oklahoma would not have unjustly jumped UGA in the final poll and the BCS rankings.
Why couldn't you eliminate 2 non conference games, take out the Championship games for conferences that have them and just do like the Pac and Big Ten do and declare a champion based on record.  Then you take the top 12, all determined still by the current BCS system, give the top 4 a bye, let the 5-12 play to determine the 5-8 teams.  Then you have your top 8 in a playoff playing maybe 1 extra game per year.  You don't have the month lay off in between the conf champ and bowl games.  The BCS would still be in place, teams wouldn't play more than 1 extra game and we could get a better perception on who really is #1.  The Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange could all get the playoff games and you can still keep your Peach, Outback, Cotton, etc small bowls for the rest of the teams bowl eligible.
This might work if the students do not get burned out.
The Football Players are still students(aren't they ?)
You would have to cut the regular season but that eliminates some of the revenue for the Colleges that would not make the playoffs.  I know that adding a twelth game (then a Conference Championship) with 100.000 people in attendance is BIG BUCKS for a University now days.  I would LOVE to see a TRUE CHAMPION crowned on the field but it has it's drawbacks too.


SEND A COMMENT

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

Message (please, no HTML tags. Web addresses will be hyperlinked):