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MSNBC.com contributor John Tamanaha tackles the hot topics in college football. From title contenders and Heisman hopefuls to coaches on the hot seat and recruiting battles, no issue is out of bounds.



What we learned from Saturday

Posted: Sunday, October 12, 2008 2:15 AM

Before sending out a search party for the LSU defense, we’re back to wrap up Week 7 of the college football season.

 

It’s tough at the top:  Texas, the highest ranked team that posted a victory this week, deserves to jump from No. 5 to the top of the heap.  Alabama, which sat this wacky week out, should hold steady at No. 2, followed by Penn State, which went to Camp Randall Stadium and decimated Wisconsin, 48-7. Florida also decisively took care of its business with LSU, 51-21, staking its claim to climb to No. 4. Once you get past that quartet, it gets a little messy. We’d go with Oklahoma and USC at Nos. 5 and 6 (losing to Texas is no crime, while getting worked over by Oregon State is). Then, you’ve got Texas Tech, BYU, Georgia and Oklahoma State to fill out the Top 10. Missouri and LSU have good shots to end the season in the Top 10, but they don’t deserve to be there right now. Both Tiger squads might not mind too much. It’s dangerous in there.

 

The spread offense is not for everybody:  A year after being a primary talking point around the country, the spread offense has been a complete dud at two high-profiles schools. Under the direction of one of the system’s godfathers, Rich Rodriguez, Michigan’s offense is in worse shape than Amy Winehouse. Saturday’s 13-10 loss to Toledo is arguably the most embarrassing defeat in Wolverine history, which is saying something. At Auburn, Tony Franklin, another spread guru, got sacked after only six games as the Tigers offensive coordinator. Three days later, while continuing to transition away from the spread and return to a more traditional attack, Auburn promptly lost at home to lowly Arkansas 25-22 mustering only 193 yards of total offense, 56 of which came on the ground.

 

What’s happened to quarterbacking in the Pac-10?:  Historically a breeding ground for top-notch passers, the Pac-10 has fallen on hard times as of late in that regard. Against Arizona State on Saturday, USC’s Mark Sanchez threw three interceptions and lost a fumble in the least impressive 28-0 victory you’ll ever see. His outside shot at breaking into the Big 12’s monopoly on Heisman Trophy finalists is likely gone. Later in the day, Arizona’s Willie Tuitama was held off the scoresheet in a disappointing 24-23 loss at Stanford. The rest of the signalcallers in the league are “just there,” despite some getting a fair amount of preseason hype. Perhaps the best quarterback in the Pac-10 is Washington’s Jake Locker, but he hasn’t seen action for the hapless and winless Huskies since breaking his right thumb last month.

 

Wisconsin’s season is sunk:  Three weeks ago, Bret Bielema’s Badgers were ranked at No. 9 and established a 19-0 halftime lead over Michigan. Since then, it’s been all downhill for Wisconsin, which fell apart in the Big House in what ended up being a 27-25 loss. That was followed by a hard-fought 20-17 setback to Ohio State and a 48-7 surrender to Penn State . . . both of which unfolded in front of the home folks in Madison. The Badger marching band even got suspended in the middle of all that.  Even if the bleeding ends next Saturday at Iowa (which might not be a pushover after blasting Indiana, 45-9), that won’t soothe the overall pain felt by a proud program that felt it was in line for a BCS berth.

 

Texas two-step:  After putting the clamps on the high-tempo Oklahoma offense when it had to in Dallas, the Longhorns will try to complete the double-play in Austin on Saturday against a Missouri team that’s smarting from its tumble at home to Oklahoma State. After winning a duel against Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy will share the field with Chase Daniel, Zac Robinson and Graham Harrell in the next three weeks. Such is life in the Big 12 these days.  Having now slipped into the lead for the Heisman, it’ll be interesting to see how McCoy handles the heat.

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Until the Big 12 plays defense, no team in that conference should be ranked #1.
What we learned..is that the ranking/voting system is driven by prejudice and bias until head up games sort it out. The do..and they will..as wee just saw.   Your replacement of a false #1 with simply the team that beat them; is from the same garden of bias..and assumes the original #1 was other than a straw man to be challenged..in fact it worships the former ranking..as something other than a proposed target..and a tentative linear stack to be challenged; and to be hit..then modified on a weekly basis. That is how it works..after all. Texas deserves to move up.. it does not deserve ranking based solely on and from the obvious error of a no1 OK.  Alabama is no 1!..and deserves that place of honor until more games prove otherwise. And here comes Penn State too..but their schedule is patsy land.  
The Big 12 has talent and skills.  Most others don't like it, but it's true.  Evident by some of Great gams yesterday.  My team lost, however, the talent that the confrence shows is amazing.
I read this morning on line that in most of the top polls...they still have the Horns as No. 5 and Okie is still no. one. (USA Poll was not there)  The only changes were a switch betweeen LSU and Missouri.  Dumb if you ask me.  Longhorns SHOULD be no. ONE!!!! NOT No. FIVE!!!!  
Is it your defenses are all so good or is it your offenses are all so lousy?
Tennessee apparently could benefit from playing some defense as well. (A little offense doesn't hurt, either.) Defensing OU ain't easy. There was a reason they were rated #1. They're a very good team and still are. Texas was just a bit better on Saturday.
SECond best conference. When "good" SEC teams beat the teams (in their conference) they are supposed to, then you will have an argument. Case in point - Vandy loses to Miss St? The only teams that can score in the SEC are Florida and Bama. So let's flip your argument around, until the SEC plays offense, no team in that conference should be ranked #1.
Until most every SEC team learns what an offense is, maybe they shouldn't be #1 either.  I think some SEC fans are just angry that the Big 12 is getting a similar amount of hype this year.
I gotta love how John Tamanaha picked Wisconsin (he wasn't the only writer) to beat Penn State 17-14.  Instead PSU wins 48-7 and is now ranked #3.  Maybe it is time the media should show some love to the Nittany Lions.
Uh, Joe, you need to understand the quality of Big 12 offenses before you deride the defenses.  I'll put UT and OU defenses up against anybody in the country, and the same for their offensive lines.

Now, granted that Tennessee couldn't stop the offensive juggernaut that is UCLA, I see no reason to tout their defense.

What is the Big 12 interconference record this year?  Pretty good if you look at the top six teams, if I recall correctly.  Easily a match for the top six SEC teams.  

In which conference do the best half dozen quaterbacks play?  Hint: It's not the SEC.

In which conference do the two best receivers play?  Nope, the SEC strikes out again.

A Texas-Alabama Championship game has nice ring to it.  Let's see, Alabama's record against Texas is....oh oh.  You don't want to know.
Bring it on!
Then who should be ranked #1?  Certainly not any team in the SEC - which sets back offense 20 years everytime they play - and certainly not any teams in the Big 10 with the exception of Penn State.  And don't get me started on the sorry state of the Pac-10.  When you defeat the #1 team (as Texas did) you deserve to be #1.
Like any team from TN should be ranked?
It is way too early to worry about the polls. The cream eventually will rise to the top and we'll have another BCS fiasco like the last two seasons. Just pencil in the Buckeye's for the Alamo bowl please! No more SEC drubbings and keep The USC Condoms away from my Buckeyes.
Any given Saturday John.  The Pac-10, Big 10, SEC, MAC, C-USA, Big East, etc, etc., are better at playing defense??  Give me a break.
Most of the teams in the top 10 have problems playing defense. None of them will win the championship until one of them begins to...
Tell me, who's "playing defense" these days? TCU had the top-ranked defense in the land and OU scored 35 on 'em.
Until the SEC plays offense, no team in that conference should be ranked #1.
John,

Reminder a Big 12 school met up with a school from the SEC (UT vs. Arkansas) and held them to 10 points.  I would say there was some defense played in that game.  Or what about Florida hanging 51 on LSU, Georgia 26 on the OTHER UT, Alabama avg. 33.6 points per game.  I wouldn't say that defense is being played in the SEC either!  
The Big 12 is the best conference in football.  Anyone complaining otherwise is spoiled and used to getting national media coverage due to the size of their college and popularity.  That can't save you when it's time to play ball.

By the way, did anyone see the 4 bad calls that helped Texas win?  Guess not.
I don't know what games you were watching, but it was the UT defense that won the game in Dallas and the OSU defense that forced Mizzou into their first three and out of the season.  The Big 12 is proving to be the best conference at the moment with consistent play at a high level in all phases of the game, not just offense.  Sure, defenses won't look as stifling when competing against many of the top QBs and offensive lines in College Football.

This year's Red River Rivalry was an example of two great teams going at each other, strength at strength, while picking at weaknesses.  If you can not see the difference between that game and the recent blow-outs or snore-fests of the SEC, you need to take off the blinders.
Come on!!! Is that all you SEC guys can say... The Big 12 is rolling!!!
Losing to Oregon State may be a crime, but no worse than losing to Ole Miss.  Which, by the way, Florida did at home.  And, the drubbing USC put on Ohio State is at least as impressive as the one Florida put on LSU.  I'd say the Trojans and Gators are even.
John.  There are plenty of defense in the Big 12.  Both Texas and Oklahoma has great defense.  It was just unfortunate that in a great rivalry game like this, you really can't see that by just reading the score.

I would say that those unbeaten teams got their rank where they deserve right now.  Of course if they slipped someone will promptly take their spot.  Big 12 is a great and strong conference this year.  Too bad that only one team in big 12 could come out with no loss in the end.  
Penn State at #3 please! The big ten conference has weak competition with no playoff! To stay undefeated there compares to a forth rated team in the SEC or the Big 12.
You have lost your mind,  TN Sux always has always will.  Big 12 rocks
The Big 12 deserves at least 3 or 4 of the top 5 spots.  The SEC is Overrated, and Texas did play defense against OU.  Even GOOD defenses give up points to an explosive offensive team John.  You must not watch much Big 12 Football.  
Until the SEC can play some offense, no team in that conference should be ranked #1.  
Tamanaha's opine that the ASU/USC game this weekend past was "the least impressive 28-0 victory you’ll ever see" illustrates a complete lack of insight and first hand experience, as they apply to athleticism at the world class level; prematurely or not, ASU was a justifiably high ranked team coming into the season. The game in question was a ferociously hard hitting contest with horrific licks taking place the entire game. John’s perspective is similar to the 2007 poll that slipped USC down a position or more following a similarly brutally fought victory @ Washington; a game that saw the Trojans lose five starters. Now mind you, I’m in concurrence with the rest of the country that the PAC-10 is in a weakened state this year, no question, but to call USC’s win this weekend “least impressive” is not only inaccurate but mendacious as well. The truth will play out if the season continues on its present track, and Penn State comes out for the annual Big Ten Conference behind-beating at the hands of the PAC-10 Champion, which as we know will be, USC.      
This year's polls have been crazy. Teams win but drop in the rankings. Teams have a week off and drop in the rankings. Teams get no 1st place votes 1 week, and then vault over higher ranked teams the next week. Some teams lose to a higher ranked team ( isn't that supposed to happen) and then plumment in the rankings. Other teams lose to a lower rank team and only go down a few spots. Makes no sense to me. Must all be either favoritism or very short memories.
John,  Obviously as an SEC apologist, you're mistaking good offenses for crummy defenses.  Or perhaps you enjoy 3-2 games?
Well John, hopefully there'll be a few SEC and Big12 matchups in bowl games this year. When the Big12 teams hang 40-50 on your great defenses in the SEC it'll show good defense equals keeping them under 40.
LOL.  The SEC should talk...
hmmm... let me guess... John Latina is a Vols fan and even worse, an SEC worshiper. All hail the SEC! No other team should be so lucky as to even stand close to an SEC team in the rankings.

Texas is a good team. I hope they can stay at the top so they can take on an SEC team in the championship. We'll see how comes out on top: the offensive powerhouse of the Big 12 or the defensive powerhouse of the SEC...

I don't see how Texas can jump ahead of Alabama even thought it beat the #1 team.  Alabama has beat the #9, #3 and should be ranked the #1 team.  One of thing, don't agree with OK going down to #4 only.  So much for being unbias.
I couldn't help noticing that you forgot to mention the OSU Buckeyes.  Yeah, they got their butt kicked on the road by the #1 team, yet they didn't have their most potent offensive weapon that day.  If and when they beat Penn State, they will once again be in the hunt for all the marbles.
Let tenn. come down here and get your happy ass spanked by any of 6 teams that can't "play defense".
Lowly Arkansas. Beat Auburn with Petrino's spread offense. You guys must have Frank Broyles advising your columnists.
John, the big 12 does play defense,its just that the offenses are that good. OSU played Defense on Saturday.....
"Until the Big 12 plays defense, no team in that conference should be ranked #1.
John Latina, Nashville, TN (Sent Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:33 PM)"

Remind me again who leads the country in sacks?  Oh yeah, it's Texas.  Texas is also #3 in rushing yards allowed (with an allowed average of less than 52 yards a game).  Granted their secondary is still young and giving up a lot of yards, but when you have as many prolific offenses as the Big 12, it's hard not too...and besides, didn't Tennesse give up 30 points to Florida?  

There is no defense in the BigXII, period. Texas is #3 in rush defense, but 109 in pass defense and #40 overall defense. How many BigXII teams are in the top 25 in total defense? 1  How many SEC teams are in the top 25 in total defense? 7  If you're playing against each other, of course the BigXII would have a lot of offense.. there isn't anyone to stop it!!  
"I couldn't help noticing that you forgot to mention the OSU Buckeyes.  Yeah, they got their butt kicked on the road by the #1 team, yet they didn't have their most potent offensive weapon that day.  If and when they beat Penn State, they will once again be in the hunt for all the marbles. " Pat Smith

Yeah Pat, they weren't mentioned because they are NOT a top calibur team. How many years does OSU want to get embarassed in the big game? Really, outside of PSU.. what else in there in the Big10+1? Wisc? no IL? no There are two "average" teams this year, so go play some ACC schools and leave the big boys to play the big games.


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