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Finally, it's 'playoff' time

Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:22 AM

While wishing the Big Ten and Pac-10 would get with it and add the necessary members so that they could have a conference championship game, we’re back to wrap up Week 14 of the college football season.

 

HERE’S YOUR PLAYOFF:  Aside from the messy tiebreaker in the Big 12 South, which the BCS decided in Oklahoma's favor, it’s hard to argue with where we are at right now. At the beginning of the season we knew that the SEC and Big 12 were the two best conferences in the nation. There were four teams from each of those leagues ranked within the AP’s preseason Top 12. Three month later, we’ve got a “playoff” of sorts to determine the combatants for the pseudo national championship game.

 

It’s not a typical bracket, but it does have a distinct structure to it.  Five teams tied to two games to sort it all out. You’ve got the SEC championship game between Florida and Alabama with the winner advancing to play in the BCS title game. And today’s second-to-last BCS rankings combined with how Missouri fares in the Big 12 championship game will determine if Oklahoma or Texas will face off against the SEC champ. Follow that?

 

Yes, despite losing to Kansas, 40-37, on Saturday, the three-loss Tigers still won the North and will play the Sooners in Kansas City with a chance to win the Big 12 title and also drive a stake into the heart of OU's national title hopes. 

 

If Missouri upsets the South champion, the South runner-up that didn’t even play in the league title game will slide into the No. 2 slot in the final BCS rankings next week and be on its way to the title game.  Hold your outrage.  This isn’t anything new.  A Big 12 team that didn’t win its conference championship has played for the BCS national title twice before (Nebraska and Oklahoma following the 2001 and 2003 regular seasons, respectively).

 

Pac-10 champion-elect USC and Big Ten titlist Penn State will protest, but they don’t have much to stand on. Both lost games that they shouldn’t have within their conferences that have been proven to be unworthy. Sure, it isn’t the Trojans’ or Nittany Lions’ fault that their leagues are down, but it does mean that they aren’t as tested as the four “semifinalists” from those two elite conferences. As far as this season goes, it’s apples and oranges . . . and there’s nothing wrong with roses.

 

HOLDING STEADY:  After all the teams in our Top 10 from last week held serve if they were in action, we’re making only a slight switch in this edition, flopping Texas Tech and Penn State at Nos. 6 and 7.

 

1 – Alabama

2 – Florida

3 – Texas

4 – Oklahoma

5 – USC

6 – Penn State

7 – Texas Tech

8 – Utah

9 – Ohio State

10 – Boise State

 

Texas Tech’s come-from-behind 35-28 victory in Lubbock over Baylor, which has lost five of its last six to drop to 4-8, further pounds home the point that we made last week, extracting the Red Raiders from the three-way tie in the Big 12 South and making it just a matter of Oklahoma and Texas . . . which, of course, was settled in Dallas on Oct. 11.

 

VOTING WITH INTEGRITY WITHOUT TRANSPARENCY:  With a full week of vigorous debate and another set of results in the books, hopefully the voters in the USA Today coaches' poll and the Harris Interactive poll find themselves more willing to use Texas’ head-to-head 45-35 victory over Oklahoma as the most significant determining factor when deciding how to slot those two teams.

 

We’re thinking that if the coaches had to reveal their votes publicly as they will have to do next week, Texas would be the beneficiary of a few more points.  But with this lack of transparency, the door is open for some backroom shenanigans to occur.

 

With more and more coaches speaking openly about the faults that exist in the current system of determining a national champion, wouldn’t it have made sense for the American Football Coaches Association to issue a decree that each ballot be made public since this vote is obviously nearly as important as the final one is?  I guess not.

 

ANYONE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER ANY ANSWERS?:  We’ve got questions.  Who has the answers?

 

When was the last time an SEC school hired a football coach with absolutely no collegiate head coaching experience?

 

What is it about Lane Kiffin’s 20 games as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders that impresses the brass at Tennessee so much?  The grand total of five victories?  The squabbles he continues to have with those who hired him there?

 

How is Kiffin going to fare when matched up against Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Les Miles, Steve Spurrier, Houston Nutt, Mark Richt and so on and so on?

 

Why would Tennessee jump at the chance to hire a coach that Minnesota passed on following the 2006 season?

 

Why act so quickly?  Were teams really lining up for the chance to make this sort of multi million dollar gamble?

 

TIME FOR TIM TO SHINE:  Don’t exclude Tim Tebow from the Heisman Trophy conversation just yet.  While the quarterbacks in the Big 12 have garnered much of the attention thus far -- and rightfully so -- Florida’s main man is in good position to vault into contention with a standout performance against top-ranked Alabama in the SEC Championship Game.  With the way the balloting always shakes out on a regional basis and the high probability of votes being split between Texas’ Colt McCoy and Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford, Tebow could go back-to-back if he’s able to conquer the rugged Crimson Tide defense in style.

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Allow OU to have a run-off with Mizzu. Since Texas also clings to the "we played a tougher 4 game stretch" argument- let OU play Mizzu in the Big-12 Championship game. If they win... they have silenced every critic (outside Austin), and if they lose Texas gets the nod. It allows OU to play a "3 game stretch" involving the same teams Texas had to endure... Seems like a pretty good compromise. Would Texas want this??? Heck no! They know exactly who the better team is right now, and understand what OU would do to Mizzu if given the chance.
Ou is tough,but you look 2 teams they beat,2 other teams they beat TCU, CIN, CHATTA,WASH WOO 0-11 TEAMS, they are not on texas road to big 12 championship, look texas beat both ou,missouri,combined, we understand TCU is good,what- CIN has played this year is awful,2001 -2003 teams did not they lose to texas? they BIG-12, would be far more better to fix this problem nxt year, think if florida lost, ala lost,tech got beat 7 against OU. this would be a mess
The chances of Missouri beating either Texas or Oklahoma are no better than the Detroit Lions beating the NY Gaints.
I agree that the PAC-10 and BIG-10 should have a playoff, which would create a pseudo playoff for the BCS championship... but what about the issue in the BIG-12?  I would argue that the creation of the North and South divisions within the BIG-12 and East/West disions within the SEC could allow what you stated earlier in the blog, where a team that didn't play in the conference championship slips into the title game.

Elimination of the divisions seems to me a way that ensure the best teams in the conference play each other for the title.  Suppose it's Texas vs. Mizzou and the upset happens.  I don't think the Sooners deserve the title shot because Mizzou played the game of their life or the 'Horns blew it.  It should be settled on the field.  With no divisions, the conference game would be Texas vs. Oklahoma, no questions asked and the winner goes on.

I'm not sure what the reasons were for creating the division in the conferences, perhaps financial or scheduling wise.. so without that information perhaps this whole rant is baseless... but I just thought I'd put it out there and see what everyone thinks.

Thanks,
Ray
How in the world can yu say the Big 12 tie breaker is settled? An early loss on the road in the most celebrated rivalry in college football should not be the continued cause of discussion. Texas lost (while no1) and that team became No 2. It does not matter by how much you lose (like you point out about Okla loss) the issue is the loss. Okla comes back and crushes that team and continues with a crushing win over No 11 and you still want Flordia to be No 2? Who did they beat last week, well, a 23rd place team and the week earlier they beat a team, ( who?????0 by 60 pts and you still give them No2. Okla has played near flawless football since their loss in DALLAS and you still punish them for the Oregon St. fiasco.  Excuse me, that was last yr. Admit it, you just want Flordia in the title game and Tebow to win the HT. even if it means ignoring the best player in football at Okla. Get a life. Remember the title game in Flordia against Coach Bowden and his HT winner which beat out the Okla, QB for the honor? What happened? What is that on your journalistic face?  Eight games of over 50 pts per game since the loss( games not against weaklings) should give the Sooners the credibility they earned. The way some of you writers think reminds me of Wall Street thinking.
Just a few thoughts on what you have written.  Coaches do not have to disclose their votes.  What about those highly qualified sports writers?  I have found several national level writers that are proclaiming Texas should be the one.  What else have I found?  They graduated from Texas.  Do they disclose this?  Second, the AP is a useless poll so why even have it?  The "sports writers" had their chance to be involved but chose to stay out.  Does this give you carte blanche to keep lambasting the BCS?  Third, spending a lifetime (spanning five decades) of playing and coaching in high level competition I have had the opportunity to meet many sports writers.  Most never played any competitive sports yet they are now the experts and the voice of reason.  Why does every sports writer take out the Texas Tech game?  Not important?  Seems to me that this makes your proclamation a serious distortion of facts.  It cannot be taken out.  If you want to look at facts and the folly of the BCS vote then deal with all the facts.  How about common opponents - Oklahoma takes that one.  How about out of conference schedule strength?  Oklahoma takes that one.  If you keep talking about neutral field then here is reality - there is no such thing.  I have played and coached in several state level championships and neutral field is a joke.  The Texas State Fair is in Texas as is the field on which they played.  Why don't sports writers deal with reality and come up with some real thought provoking ideas?  I have never understood the east/west or north/south conference thing.  The west SEC is a joke this year and Alabama has a really weak schedule (at last check 100th).  Why not the two best teams in a conference go head to head at the end of the season?  I have no stake in this outcome in any way shape or form.  I have a real problem with sports writers and broadcasters having the power to try and sway to their thinking.  I always thought writers reported and did not make the story.  Who was the idiot that allowed the Texas coach to have his rant and politicing during the OU/OSU game?  That was the lowest form of no class ever. Maybe that is what NCAA stands for - No Class At All.  Here is some reality.  The BCS is a money making machine.  Controversy makes them more money.  That makes sports writers the lackey of the BCS machine.  If fans did not go to or watch any games for one week then you would see some actual change take place.  Maybe then we would get a playoff.  Until that happens there is way to much money at stake for the bowls and BCS to make any change.  So, please report the news and quit trying to impart your opinion into this situational joke.  It would be nice to read about how USC dissected Notre Dame instead of how a writer thinks Charlie's job is in jeopardy.  Go back to the basics of reporting and stop trying to concoct a story to write about.
How about this for a real story.  If the Texas coach did not know about the rule before the season started then he is not doing his job.  If he did know about the rule and did not say anything at the time then he has no right to complain about the rule now.  
I wonder if Texas REALLY wants to play OU head to head again right now or are they just talking the talk...think they could walk the walk?  I wonder how the game on the "neutral" field would've turned out if OU was given credit for the interception in the endzone late in that game...I don't think Mack REALLY wants to play OU again because his team would be exposed for the wannabes they are.
Texas always whines and Missouri will last about as long as a fart in a whirlwind against OU/
O.K. First let me say I hate both the Tide and the Gators, but the national championship will be decided December 6, in Atlanta. There is not a team except the Giants or Titans that will handle either of these two teams. And none of that crap about Southern Cal. They play in the weakest conference in major college football and still can't seal the deal. If they played in the SEC they would be a 6-6 team at best. So forget about folks, the mythical title stays in Dixie for another year.
Florida lost at HOME to Old Miss. Repeat until it sinks in. Ole Miss isn't any better than Iowa (or Oregon State).
It's so clear to anyone paying attention: As of November 30, OU is significantly better than Texas and would kill them in a game.  That is why they claimed the Big 12 South.
Oh, so futile.  3-way tie, means you can't do head to head, because any argument can be trumped by the third team, therefore, you must figure out another way.

So, first you have impersonal non-biased (or equally biased depending on your perspective, plus you have 6 to balance each other)computers.  They place them OU, Texas, Tech.  

Second, you can compare out of conference wins.  Oklahoma, beat current BCS #11 TCU and #13 Cincinnati.  Neither Texas nor Tech beat any one currently in the BCS rankings in their non-conference schedule.  

Third, you can use common game point differntial, which again puts it at Oklahoma 138, Texas 100, and Tech around 70 points.

I must state for full disclosure purposes I do have two degrees from the University of Oklahoma, so I may be biased, but if you can find another source of comparison that is as unbiased as those I have put forth, please share. I feel any other will most likely again point to Oklahoma as the stronger team.  

Best of Luck "taco meat" fans.
John,John, please just stick to the facts.  The facts are that OU, UT and Tech are tied with identical records.  The facts are that the Big 12 has a process for determining the winner.  The facts are that the BCS computers couldnt listen to your cheerleading for UT, unlike the human polls (how do they reduce/flip OU's and UT's scores when OU played a tougher team than UT did on the road and won, something UT never did..I guess your and ESPN's and UT's "politicing" payed off with them), but OU prevailed as they should have.  
Watching the sports media after Oklahoma won the tie breaker you would think the President had been shot. I have never seen such one-sided debate for why Texas should have gotten the nod. Next I'm expecting someone to interview Mac Brown's mom so she can tell everyone what a good man her son is and how his little heart is broken after the mean-ol' Big 12 and Oklahoma "took" his chance for the Championship. Honestly, Does the media own stock in Texas... it would seem like it with all the partisan activity it has shown recently.

In the end, the irony is the computers, the only element of the BCS that cannot be "talked" into changing their vote with appeals of "45-35" put it all to rest. Mac Brown now looks like a total slimball for trying to politic his way into a Big-12 Championship

I just want to see a great title game and I think Oklahoma (out of the Big-12) against the SEC Champ gives the best chances of that happening. The 2 best teams will play for the championship... regardless of how the media and everyone in texas tries to spin it.
The bias against the Los Angeles schools continues; got athleticism? This writer says USC and Penn State are out in the cold because they “lost games they shouldn’t have” – I say Texas lost a game they shouldn’t have (Read: blatantly-missed-tackle-as-time-runs-out) yet they slipped nary a notch in the BCS, and let’s not forget LSU, then still ranked in the top 25 with three losses.
Anyone here wonder why the coaches who are “in the mix” don’t mention USC in the little opines they offer on camera about the current BCS?
It will be played out on New Years Day, as I stated in this forum on October 13: Penn State is going to come out here and get their donkeys handed to them. The Crimson Tide, Texas and Florida are the only teams with any chance of scoring enough points against them to beat USC -this time of year- and the OU staff, along with discriminating, unbiased college football fans, know that.

The winner of the Bama/Florida game will win the national title.  The Big 12 doesn't play the defense that the SEC schools play.  The whole discussion about the OU/TEX/TTU tie is overblown.  If the NCAA wanted to do this thing right, let OU/TEX play in one semifinal and BAMA/FLORIDA play in the other.  Winners to play for it all.
The Big-12 and SEC should eliminate the divisions within their conferences and play the top 2 teams for conference championship based on head-to-head, strength of schedule, margin of victory. Make every team play every team with-in thier conference and eliminate the non-conference games with "The little sisters of the poor"  
"The "sports writers" had their chance to be involved but chose to stay out. "

Uh, the sports writers got out because they realized what a joke the BCS is....
How about this for a story? Without the sports writers, there isn't one. All the news we would need then, we can watch on TV with the sound off. Sportswriters are human just like you and me, we listen and either agree or disagree, either way it makes for great dialogue. You obviously have your opinion, why can't they have theirs? The system is wacky, Texas Tech proved they are pretenders by barely beating lowly Baylor. The equation then focuses on Texas and OU. The answer? 45-35... Oh and I have attended many of Texas Fair during the Red River Shootout and I can tell you from personal experience, OU is well represented, make no mistake, that is a neutral field.
Thank you, Steve S from GA, for stating what should be obvious, but TX-born or bred writers deny: no way is the Dallas site of the TX/OU game neutral. If I were a Texan (thank God I'm not), I would be embarassed to say that it is. OU's strength of schedule and recent performances make the argument of who should go to the Big 12 Championship. And yes,the division within the conference sucks! But it is probably the only way to keep it from being TX and OK every year in the Big 12 Championship. Maybe they could do an east-west division instead...
Let's face it. The reason we don't have a playoff system in Division 1-A is we have bowls. The bowl committees will never allow a playoff system. All they understand is money. When we all get sick and tired of the BCS, we boycott the bowls. Don't watch them on TV, don't buy their sponsors products. Unfortunately, sports fans would have to suck it up and do without their last football fix of the year. A tall order indeed. But until the bowl committees get hit where it hurts, we're gonna have to accept what they give us.
Stop Already.  Texas beat OU, Tech beat Texas. OU beat Tech.  3 way tie.  In case of a 3 way tie, the highest BCS ranking entitles that team to go to the Big 12 championship game.  Campaigning, politicking, screaming, Texas plane banners during the OU-OSU game didn't help.  OU had the highest ranking.  Don't like it?  Change the rule. Boomer Sooner.
Oh, so futile.  3-way tie, means you can't do head to head, because any argument can be trumped by the third team, therefore, you must figure out another way.

So, first you have impersonal non-biased (or equally biased depending on your perspective, plus you have 6 to balance each other)computers.  They place them OU, Texas, Tech.  

Second, you can compare out of conference wins.  Oklahoma, beat current BCS #11 TCU and #13 Cincinnati.  Neither Texas nor Tech beat any one currently in the BCS rankings in their non-conference schedule.  

Third, you can use common game point differntial, which again puts it at Oklahoma 138, Texas 100, and Tech around 70 points.

I must state for full disclosure purposes I do have two degrees from the University of Oklahoma, so I may be biased, but if you can find another source of comparison that is unbiased please share, but sadly I feel it will most likely again point to Oklahoma.  

Best of Luck "taco meat" fans.
OK, read the following information and then attempt to explain to me

why ANYBODY should be ranked above the incredible Oklahoma Sooners.


Please don't be iggnorant by mentioning anything about "Head-to-Head"

unless you believe Texas Tech should be ranked higher than Texas.

This is just a few of OU's current statistics:
#1 in Scoring (53.3)
#2 in Quarterback rating (190.48)
#3 in Yards per game (563.2)
#3 in Passing yards (4251)
#3 in Defensive sacks (38)
#4 in 1st downs per game (26.8)

OU has played 5 teams that won 85% of their games (51-9) and all 5 are

STILL ranked in the top 15 of the Coaches Poll. Texas has 3 Still in

the top 15 and USC has 2 (Florida and Alabama have 0)

--OU-- -Rank- -W- -L- -Win %-
Texas 3 11 1
Texas Tech 8 11 1
TCU 11 10 2
Cincinnati 12 10 2
Ok St 15 9 3
51 9 85%

--Texas--
OU 2 11 1
Texas Tech 8 11 1
Ok St 15 9 3
Missouri 17 9 3
40 8 83.33%

--Florida--
Georgia 19 9 3
Mississippi 25 8 4
17 7 70.83%

--Alabama--
Georgia 19 9 3
Mississippi 25 8 4
17 7 70.83%

--USC--
Ohio St 10 10 2
Oregon 14 9 3
Oregon St 24 8 4
27 9 75%
There are four worthy teams in the Big 12 South yet only one can get to the championship game.  Three loss Mizzou should stay home - let OU and Texas fight it out.  This time in Kansas City.  You think Dallas is neutral?
Faith can move mountains,but as far as Missouri Tigers beating OU this weekend ,"GOD" ,can't even help them.
Amen Brother
Regarding the Big Ten and Pac 10 having playoffs: it's superfluous in the Pac 10; they already play a complete schedule - any "Championship" game would be a rematch.  In the Big 11, teams schedule down to fatten their records, assuring more bowl bids.  This backfires sometimes, doesn't it?
LongHorns barely lost to RedRaiders, LongHorns squeeked by Sooners on neutral grounds(in Texas?) and OU murdered Tech, LongHorns struggled to beat Baylor, you really want Longhorns to tackle Big 12 Championship let alone go to National Championship? Crimson has been a running powerhouse since the beginning, Florida will outshoot you in the throwing game and Tebow is a true triple threat(Run, Pass, Option)..Put Oklahoma against either team for a Big 12 chance!
Wow - everyone sure likes to "blog".  This is my first - just happened upon this article and found it very interesting how passionate folks seem to be about their teams and the BCS.  I happen to love college football and support/follow a certain team as well. Sadly, fairness is what's missing in the BCS world and until someone can figure out what would be fair for everyone - not just the big, rich and powerful - it is what it is.  With that said, whoever you cheer for, I wish your team well, good sportmanship and college pride - that's the beauty of college football.
The PAC 10 is the ONLY Conference in which all schools play each other.. So in a way they already have a playoff.. Stop whining .. When the BCS contract is over do not repeat do not re apply it.. Go to the playoff system like the Pros use..


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