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What would a 'Sweet 16' have looked like?

Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:11 PM

Although very comfortable within the shrinking minority of those against a playoff in college football, we always try to maintain an open mind. And with that, this is the perfect week to take a look back at the 2008 season and see what it might have been like if college football had a “Sweet 16.”

In the “Extra Points” format, all 11 conference champions get an automatic bid. Yes, all 11.  We wouldn’t want to get sued or be called to appear before a congressional committee.  And what would “December Delirium” be without the Cal State Northridge and Binghamton of football?

Then the hard part, selecting five at-large squads to fill out the field.

The top two seeds in each region would host the opening round on their campus. The regional finals (and “Final Four”) would be played at neutral sites and/or bowl games.

Using the final gotta-be-good-for-something BCS standings as a guide to assist, especially with the all-important seeding process, this one-man committee labored long and hard to come up with the following.

MIDWEST
(1) Oklahoma, Big 12 tourney champions (overall No. 1)
(2) Utah, Mountain West champions
(3) Ohio State, at-large from Big Ten
(4) Buffalo, MAC tourney champions

SOUTH
(1) Florida, SEC tourney champions (overall No. 2)
(2) Texas Tech, at-large from Big 12
(3) Virginia Tech, ACC tourney champions
(4) Troy, Sun Belt champions

WEST
(1) Texas, at-large from Big 12 (overall No. 3)
(2) Southern California, Pac-10 champions
(3) Boise State, WAC champions
(4) Georgia Tech, at-large from ACC

EAST
(1) Alabama, at-large from the SEC (overall No. 4)
(2) Penn State, Big Ten champions
(3) Cincinnati, Big East champions
(4) East Carolina, C-USA tourney champions

Ones versus fours. Twos versus threes. Winners play winners. Then, onto the semifinals.

Even being anti-playoff, we have to admit this isn’t too shabby. If form held, you’d have Oklahoma vs. Alabama and Florida vs. Texas in the “Final Four.”

There would have been a decent chance that we would have ended up with what we actually got, but making Florida and Oklahoma clear three hurdles along the way would have been must-see TV.

If you were a fly on the wall of this selection committee’s boardroom, which also doubles as my daughter’s nursery, you would have seen a vicious internal discussion over which school would get the final at-large berth.

Oregon’s 65-38 “Civil War” rout over Oregon State, denying the Beavers the Pac-10‘s automatic bid, gave the Ducks a leg up over Pittsburgh of the Big East. But in the end, none of those teams were going to get there anyway.

The final spot eventually went to the winner of what was essentially a play-in game between Georgia and Georgia Tech on Nov. 29 (a little more spine-tingling than Alabama State-Morehead State). The Yellow Jackets broke a seven-game losing streak to their in-state rivals, posting an impressive 45-42 victory on the road in Athens to earn lots of love from the BCS and this committee. If Georgia had won, the consensus preseason No. 1 Bulldogs would have been the last team in, giving the SEC three entries (along with the Big 12).

Perhaps already used to being dealt a tough hand in 2008, Texas certainly wouldn’t be pleased with the “Extra Points” committee’s decision. Although its relatively recent success over USC is well documented, facing the Trojans somewhere out West (probably San Diego, since Mack Brown knows the way all too well) is clearly the toughest road to the national semis. With the guile of a well-seasoned Senator, we’ll deflect the blame to the BCS computers for averaging out USC to be seventh-best, which contributed to the Trojans receiving the fifth overall seed, losing out to Alabama for a No. 1 seed by .0235.

But TCU of the Mountain West Conference probably would have the biggest gripe. The Horned Frogs' only two losses were to Oklahoma and Utah -- both on the road.  If you selected and seeded by purely using the top 16 in the BCS, No. 11 TCU would have been the No. 3 seed in the South.

BYU, a third MWC team, and 67 percent of the Big 12 South would have also made the cut if you only used a cockamamie system like the BCS to sort stuff out. Anyway, it’s much more fun to blame a committee than computers on “Selection Sunday.”

We’re still not sold on having a playoff system, but seeing it broken down like this, we’re getting a little sweeter on the whole idea.

 

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The weakness in your playoff is "if form held".
You have to accept a no upset playoff to agree with
your outcome.
there's really no way attendance for these playoffs would ever be less than for the existing bowl games...

i'd think the tv ratings would be decent too. :p

the main concern i'd have is that we'd suddenly have 16 conferences.  schools would be bolting for greener patures and an easier shot at that playoff spot.

im not saying that would be bad...  or good.  or even that it would happen.  just that a 16 team playoff might change things in ways we haven't considered.

no matter what happens though, it would be better than the BCS bull$#%t.
Don't like it at all. If your going to have a 16 team playoff I think that you have to take the top 16 ranked teams. Screw the one from each conference crap. That would creat a lot of unfair situations. It is logic. If you finish in the top 16 you earned the right to go to the play off despite what conference you are from.Lets not create any more systems that unfairly let teams in .What could be more fair than just take the top 16 teams. Playoff-Good idea- You just tried to get too tricky and smart for your own good. Keep it simple with anything you invent. That usually works the best.
Why does the Big 12 get 3 & not the SEC?
I personally am in favor of an 8 team playoff (would settle for a 4 team one initially).  It would be a one sided bracket with 1 playing 8 and so on.  Would there be upsets?  Of course and that not only would be the drama of it, but also show that just like in every other sport with a playoff, you have to win your games if you want to hoist the trophy.  The playoffs would start right after the regular season so there wont be any more of this 31 days between last game and bowl game.  I think most fans want a playoff and its all the money makers that dont want it. I personally think the current bowl system is stupid because only one game actually matters unless you are about the teams in a given bowl.  Lets finally bring some real excitement to college ball.
I love it!  I've been talking about this for years!  If you win your conference, you should get an automatic bid.  Top 16 teams?  Says who?  Some computer? This gives no one any gripe, if you cannot win your conference, what business do you have playing for a national title?  And you still have 5 slots open for the what-ifs (like the Big 12 where 3 teams were tied for first) and whinners like all the rest who couldn't beat that team for whatever reason
You all are getting close.The selection pool should be the top 20 in some agreed upon poll because polls are incurably subjective.1st step: select the eight highest ranked conference champions in the pool.2nd step: seed them according to poll rank and grant them homefield status for the first round. If there are fewer than eight conference champs in the top twenty, fill the slots with the highest ranked teams remaining in the pool of 20. 3rd step: Fill visiting team slots with the highest ranking teams remaining in inverse order.(i.e the highest ranking visitor will play the lowest ranking home team, etc.Rounds two and three will utilize the six largest current bowls on a rotating basis. The championship game will be selected annually on a bid basis as currently done with basketball. Losers of first round games will be eligible for lesser holiday bowl selection as currently done.
The important principle is that every team, player and fan knows at the beginning of the season what will be required to compete for a championship.
Rodney, the current setup is already unfair to half of  all D1-A teams. The proposed scenario is this article actually makes it fair for everyone. Todays football isn't like it was 20 years ago. Teams from the non-AQing leagues are just as good or better then the blue blooded teams from years past. Boise State and Utah have proven that time and again.

I love it!!  I think this is the only way to truly determine a national champion (the "only the top 16 ranked teams" notion wouldn't work either.  You still have to contend with "the national champion should have won their conference" crowd, which is just as noisy as the playoff crowd).  If the BCS wants to keep their precious computers, use the BCS rankings to pick the at large bids.

People would jump at the bit to go to a "true" playoff, and TV ratings would be high.  Let's get this thing started!!
Have the Play-off AND bowl games.  The Oregon's can still get to play the Oklahoma State's which is fun for their fans and fun for everybody.  There are some 25 bowl games, the 16 game play-off can suck up some of these "lesser" bowls (Sun Bowl, etc.) and the bigger bowls can still host the semi finals and the finals on a rotating basis.  
You could conceivable fit a 16 team playoff into the same slot you having with the gap between reg. season and bowls.  You could also appease the bowl people by having each game signify a "bowl".  The Fiesta or whatever would be the last game and it would rotate each year.  You'd start with the lower bowls like the Gator bowl or something.  
I agree with Rodney that if we're going to have a 16 team playoff schedule, those 16 teams should be the top 16 teams. It should NOT be based on who is the champion of which conference. Clearly, certain conferences are stronger and there are several teams I would place well ahead of teams you listed such as Buffalo, Troy or East Carolina.
What makes you think Utah would not prevail
Texas who needed a miracle to beat Ohio st who were slaughtered by USC is going to beat USC>? Who do you think believes this crap? Enough of the stupid SEC & big 12 already for christ's sake
Four Team playoff...Start the bowl season with the semis and then the championship game can fall right in line with the BCS bowl schedule. It seems almost to logical to make sense to the ncaa and college presidents.
Does a team that can't finish in the top 8 deserve a a shot at the Nat'l Champ?  One of the blowholes' (read pac-10, big-10 execs) gripes is that a playoff reduces the importance of the regular season.  We don't need more than 8 teams IMHO.


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