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Joe — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:39:36 GMT

Results matter no matter how hot your team is now. That is your argument. Why do you rank Florida higher than either OU or Texas then? They lost at home to Miss. Florida is hot now, but they have the worst loss of the top 5 teams. Like you said, results matter. If you are going to use a criteria, apply it to everyone.

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Bub — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:44:41 GMT

True Texas did beat OU but with your logic Texas Tech should be rated ahead of Texas. Look back at the Texas OU game, see any realy bad calls? Could those roughing calls and the interseption in the end zone have made a differance? Who knows. In this case it's got to come down to who is playing the best ball right now, next week we will have a better picture. Fot right now it's OU hands down.

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Bill Janota, Ingleside, TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:44:45 GMT

I think the three way tie in the Big 12 south should
be determined by points. The Longhorns beat the Sooners by 10 points. The Red Raiders beat the Longhorns by 6 points and the Sooners beat the Red Raiders by a Gazillion points. Every team has one loss against the other two and therefore the one team who lost by the least amount of points against the other two should be ranked the highest. That team would be the Longhorns. They lost by 6 points, which is the lowest loss total of all three teams.

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D Johnson, San Antonio, TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:47:04 GMT

If you're going to say a one-loss Texas is better than a one-loss OU because of the head to head meeting, then a one-loss Texas Tech is better than a one loss Texas. YOU can't have it both ways either!

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Nate, Charlotte, NC — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:58:32 GMT

The problem here John, is that Texas Tech beat Texas and therefore, has the same argument against the Longhorns that you state the Longhorns have against Oklahoma. Texas Tech also "settled it on the field." If OU and Texas were the only 1 loss teams in the Big 12 South, it would be a no-brainer - Texas in the title game. To ignore the fact that Texas lost to a team that lost by 44 points to Oklahoma last night is just as egregious as voting Texas ahead of OU because of a close head to head 6 weeks ago. The question is who is the better team right now.

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Jason, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:11:10 GMT

With your logic, Texas Tech should still be ranked ahead of Texas...Tech beat Texas on the field, and Tech only has one loss.....

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Jim, Tulsa, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:12:11 GMT

Didn't you hear Bob? By this logic you have to put Tech above Texas. When A beats B and B beats C and C beats A, you have to think outside of the box.

Try again

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Scott, Arlington, VA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:15:57 GMT

Well, Mr. Tamanha, as Coach Stoops put it, then using the thought process that Texas beat OU, then Tech should be ahead of Texas.... I would think a dismantling of a team that beat Texas barely would carry more weight than a 10 point game (and OU was ahead then too).

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Henry, Orlando — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:16:51 GMT

Death finally to the BCS? The argument we are always forced to hear is "how important each regular season game is". However, if that was true, you wouldn't have to put forth an article explaining that Texas beat OU. On any level, except division 1 football, head to head is the tiebreaker. So why not start an honest push for a change? Blame the reporters - right now, they have a hand in the outcome and thus will not yield power freely to the rest of the world who wants a playoff.

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la — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:18:20 GMT

USC is better than Texas...AND okiehoma

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Todd, Catoosa, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:20:34 GMT

Head to head does matter. Look at Texas versus Texas Tech. Doesn't that game matter as well as the OU-Texas game with a three way tie? If OU didn't destroy the team that beat Texas, Texas Tech would still be within 5 spots of Texas so there goes that arguement. In that regard, it would be funny if OU were to lose to OSU this weekend, just so Texas and all the whiners could miss out on the trip to the Big 12 championship game.

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I Actually Watched The Game — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:21:46 GMT

I watched the OU Texas game. Sometimes the worse team wins one. First, OU lost Its best defensive player midgame verse Texas. Second, there were three terrible calls by officials against OU at critical times that saved Texas from 4th down punts, of course they made one bad call in favor of OU but that still gives texas two in their favor. Also texas was being stomped in the beginning until OU screwed up a kick return. That was OU losing the game and not Texas winning it. And if you watched other Texas games you'll notice that McCoy had better luck in completions that game, OU coverage was good, McCoy was just able to land the ball perfectly that game which he's failed to do anywhere near as well since. If OU and Texas played again, most likely OU would win!!!

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Aiden, Osaka, Japan — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:29:25 GMT

You have to be joking. If you are really going to follow the head-to-head logic, you have to place Tech above UT since Tech beat UT head-to-head. The point of a 3-way tie is that it's a 3-way TIE. Everyone has lost head-to-head games, so applying only one is not fair. You have to compare who is the better team now, plain and simple. And after yesterday's game, I think we know without a doubt who is the better team.

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Guy in Chapel Hill — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:29:41 GMT

I agree with you that TX is a better team than OK.

FLA is the best team in the country right now, followed by TX.

FLA will roll AL convincingly and is a close winner against TX.

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Jon, Billings, MT — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:30:19 GMT

So should we put Texas Tech above Texas since they beat them head to head? Personally, if head to head matchups are the top way to rank teams, then I am ranking Mississippi, they of the 4 losses, at #2 since they beat Florida. This makes total sense. Also, if there were a head to head component in a 3 way tie, it would not matter since each of the 3 teams in the Big 12 South would be 1-1 in that comparison.

As far as Texas beating Oklahoma, the primary reason for that happening is the injury of OU's star middle linebacker Ryan Reynolds. Before that Texas gained 4 yards per play, after that they gained 8 yards per play. Just like losing your quarterback on offense takes some time to adjust, so Oklahoma is back to where they were then.

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Andy Exeter, NH — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:32:19 GMT

I agree that head-to-head matchups matter the most. Interesting that you make that point, then rank Texas Tech three places behind Texas. Can't have it both ways.

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Duke, Newnan GA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:33:06 GMT

Hummm - Then your saying that Texas Tech should be the Big 12 South Champion - using your logic of head to head wins?

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John, Des Moines, IA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:34:09 GMT

I think the problem lies in the lack of parody within the Big 12 as well. Clearly the best 4 teams in the conference are in the south all battling for a chance to clobber Missouri, the only team in the north with any respect, for the right to go to a BCS Bowl, and likely the BCS championship.It is too bad they cannot have the Big 12 championship game between the top 2 (or 3) teams in the conference.

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TWW Ok — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:38:11 GMT

If you can't move OU around Texas, then you can't mover Texas past Texas Tech....

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jason,OKC,OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:39:59 GMT

The college football BCS system is imperfect as are all polls - AP included. The arguement that Texas should not be ranked below OU makes as much sense as Tech not being ranked below Texas. But OU threw a wrench in the works by thrashing Tech. Good or bad, as long as we have to use polls, the best team in the Big 12 south as of this week is OU.

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pc, charlotte, nc — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:40:45 GMT

By your logic, Texas Tech should be ranked higher than Texas becasue as per your commeents 'good ol head to haed meetings should determine who is the better team'.

How can you use the same set of logic to justify Texas Over Oklahoma but not Texas Tech over Texas. A win is a win by any account.

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Mack Brown — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:45:04 GMT

Hey Dummy! If you can't move Oklahoma ahead of Texas, Then you can't drop Texas Tech below Texas! Duh!!

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jim miller — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:45:44 GMT

Finally, some who uses results on the field inthe comparison of TX and OK. You also could have brought up TX had a brutal 4 game stretch, of whcih TT was the last, whereas OK have them spread out and with a week off before the big game. Basically, the polls should coonsider the whole season, and not just "who is hot" at the end of the season--which is usually a result of favorabel schedule timing.

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NancyDrew, Alabama — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:48:18 GMT

If you are going to place Texas over OU you must still place Tech over TX. Your rankings do not reflect the huge whipping OU put on Tech. Your rankings should be: AL, FL, OU, TX.

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Kent Waller, Huntsville AL — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:49:07 GMT

ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC, THEN TT SHOULD BE RANKED HIGHER THAN TEXAS. YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

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Andrew Arthur, Basking Ridge, NJ — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:49:42 GMT

Picking the best of these three very worthy teams is a rare challenge. Adding Oklahoma State to the picture, you have four teams who are poised -- barring an upset next week by either Baylor or A&M -- to complete their regular season schedule having lost to noone else but each other. Having said that, it is tempting to favor Oklahoma because of the manner in which they lost to Texas... the injury to Sooners; LB Ryan Reynolds clearly turned the game, and was a blow to the Sooners D that took weeks to reverse. Against Texas Tech, they demonstrated that the reversal is complete. Also, there's the question of point differential... in conference, the Sooners' differential of 175 points (380 for, 205 against) far exceeds that of either Texas (109) or TTech (96). Isn't that how the pros decide?

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Bryce, New York — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:54:00 GMT

I could not help but notice you do not have Miss ranked above Florida. Had Oklahoma lost to an unranked team at home, rather than to a very good Texas team, where would you rank the Sooners. It seems as though OU is being punished for losing to a quality team on a neutral site and Florida is being rewarded for its loss at home to a much inferior team.

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Kevin, Arkansas City, Kansas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:56:02 GMT

Neutral Feild??? Come on, man, everyone who has ever gone to one of these games KNOWS there is nothing neutral about that field. It IS, after all, in Texas. So please, PLEASE, don't be one of those morons that calls this anything other than what it was, a home game win for Texas. It was played in the same location as the Texas State Fair for Gods sake. Don't get me wrong, they are good. So is O.U. Texas won the game fair and square. But.....I don't think that is any more important than O.U. SLAUGHTERING the number two team in the country that BEAT Texas. Everyone that is familiar with O.U. football was amazed last night. They FINALLY came to a big game with a mentally prepared defense that showed what it is capable of doing. It's just a shame that they so RARELY do that. If they go to a BCS bowl, history says they will NOT be mentally prepared, they will be much too full of themselves, and they will undoubtedly get trounced, AGAIN. After all, this win over TT may have been a "big game", but lets keep IT in porportion. It was a regular season game played at home. I'm just advocating look at the teams and their capabilities. And right now, O.U. IS the better team. Don't use the "neutral field" argument. It doesn't wash.

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Bishop, Oklahoma City, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:01:16 GMT

two top teams should obviosly be Oklahoma and florida...Alabama has been sliding by nobody teams. everyone says the sec has such strong defenses...Fact is..Their offenses suck! Put them against a big 12 team and there defense will crumble. If it winds up being florida and alabama...It will be a slaughterhouse. Nick Saban no chance. if oklahoma beats oklahoma state than they are clearly the best team playing in the big 12 right now and should play for national championship number 8!!!

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Ben, Washington DC — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:05:36 GMT

pleeeeeease, follow that logic and you can't put Texas ahead of Tech can you?? Way to go genius

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David, Fort Smith, AR — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:13:20 GMT

Its not that easy of an argument. If we are to only look at head-to-head, lets not forget that Texas Tech beat Texas fair and square. So how can you rank Texas ahead of them? They both have the same record. We already settled that on the field.

When you have a three way tie like this you have to try and identify which team is best now; not which team was better over a month ago. If you really think Texas would beat Oklahoma again on a neutral field then fine; but you cannot argue that this Oklahoma team is the same one that lost in Dallas in October.

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addicted, Atlanta, GA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:16:03 GMT

That is the worst argument to pick Texas over the Sooners. Since all 3 have 1 loss, cant we go with Texas Tech over Texas, then? Since Texas Tech already settled the debate against Texas?

Fact is, of the 3 games played, 2 were extremely close, and 1 was a blowout. I will take the winner of the blowout, please...

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Paul, Long Island, NY — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:18:11 GMT

If that's the case, how can Florida who lost head to head at home to Ole Miss be higher ranked than them, if that's the case how can Texas be higher ranked than Texas Tech and so forth, talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth.......so an Oklahoma team who lost to a top 5 team Texas on a Neutral field should take a bigger hit than Floeida who lost to a bottom feeder at home gets ...oh well just a bad day pass and becomes number 2, incredible! As you so eloquently stated.....

"All these talking heads on TV can’t have it both ways. They’re constantly pushing for playoff, saying that things should be “settled on the field.” But then they’re also singing the praises of the Oklahoma and building a case to counteract what took place in the Cotton Bowl at the “Red River Shootout.” It just doesn’t make sense."

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Boog, Breckenridge, CO — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:19:38 GMT

How can you not look at what has happened to OU, Texas and Florida since there losses. The idea that the 5th game of the season trumps what you are doing now is ludicrous. And Florida losing at home to Ole Miss. goes forgiven. Texas was behind OU the entire game till OU lost there ML in the 4th Qtr. They got lucky and pulled out a win. Congrats. Texas got their backside kicked by Tech until the 4th Qtr. and led the game for all of 90 seconds until Tech took the lead at the end. Who is suspect. OU has been in 1 close game all season - Texas in the 4th Qtr after we didn't put them away early. When you have to hope OU wins so that you go to the Big 12 champ game and if they lose you stay home. I don't think so. If the Sooners take care of business at OSU they will be playing MissOU for the Big 12 title again.

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paul nelson, dallas, texas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:21:53 GMT

dude, u r smoking something there is no reason to rank USC that high. they r the most over rated team out there. bama has not lost yet. then if u go down the list and look at the teams and who they have played it should be texas then oklahoma then tech. the big 12 is a little better than the sec. but come on texas beat okla already. they will play again in the championship game and then go on to lose to bama.
and florida is a JOKE who have they played. no one. anytime they play a ranked they lose.

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Michael, Austin TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:22:10 GMT

Yes, thank you. Texas over OU any day. I fear the polling will be influenced too heavily by the human weakness for only remembering the most recent events.

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Benjamin, Oklahoma City — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:27:24 GMT

So by your logic how can you have Tech below Texas when they both have one loss? As you said they already settled that..... oh wait that only applies to OU and Texas right? Not the other teams. As you say you can't have your cake and eat it to.

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Tim, Nome, AK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:27:48 GMT

You can't try to employ logic in the OU-Texas debate, then make the asinine decision to rank Florida above either team. It's mediocy at its worse. Florida lost to a bad team at home. OU lost to a top 3 team at a neutral site. Texas lost to a top-6 team on the road.

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Roxiee Pruitt , Bessemer, Al — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:29:11 GMT

Roll Tide. Everyone is already proclaiming Fla. the winner of the SEC . Bama is not showey, but always comes through when they need to. Fla. does look like they can whip any team in America, that don't mean they can.

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RC — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:30:36 GMT

Now how can you say Texas is the clear winner? They are the ones who lost to Texas tech who were beat by Oklahoma. In a fair world Texas should go on to win the big 12 and Oklahoma should go on to play for the National Title (if they beat OSU)its stupid to have the bcs even involved in the big 12 rankings yet they all agreed to this. Oklahoma has played a tougher schedule and is playing better at this time. That’s all we can go by because there is no play off and never will be for several leagues would never get to play bigger bowls with a play off. You can’t have TT leap frog then say Oklahoma cannot do the same because you like Texas. The truth that is showing is Oklahoma has always been a hated team by several sports writers. Teams have had players go to jail admitted they broke rules at several Universities yet no ncaa official ever said a word about it. Yet If OU turn there heads wrong ncaa are all over them in a heartbeat Maybe there are just to many Texans part of the ncaa and sports writers.

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Tim Balada — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:39:25 GMT

So I guess if UT should be ranked ahead of OU due to the loss in Dallas, then I guess TT should be ranked higher than UT as they beat them...correct? After all, all 3 teams only have one loss.

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jack los angeles, ca. — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:42:53 GMT

Texas wants to stay as far away from OU right now as it can. If these two teams play each other now....It's lights out in Austin, OU runs the score up above 70. And they don't let the horns score more than two TDs during the game. The third TD OU let Tech have with less than 15 seconds left in the game....pity points.

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Suzanne, Plano TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:44:53 GMT

John, for your theory to be valid, then Texas Tech should be rated ahead of Texas since they defeated them "head-to-head". If you apply a theory to one, you have to apply it to all. Oh yes, Leach also said he would be voting Oklahoma ahead of Texas - he's played them both so he should know better than pundits like you who's the better team.

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Sonny, Show Low, Arizona. — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:48:22 GMT

John -

Too bad football fans want to see the best teams play the best games at the end of the season. And, right now Oklahoma is the best team in the nation at least in terms of one loss teams period.

I am not sure that Alabama or Florida could stay within 14 points of Oklahoma with their best game. Especially, Florida based on their weak loss.........Actually, an Oklahoma - Texas rematch might be the best national championship game. -Sonny

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Bill Mack — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:48:23 GMT

With your logic texas tech should still be ranked in BCS above Texas. after all, they did win that game.
I would think point spread (in this case) must mean something. Give Okla its due.
frasorbil
taylor, Texas

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CCSII — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:52:35 GMT

Last year OU beat Mizzou TWICE and was ranked behind them with the same record. That doesn't fit your tidy little pigeon hole either.

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Mizzou fan — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:57:16 GMT

Sorry John, your arguement just doesn't work. If you have to put Texas ahead of OU, then you have to put Texas Tech ahead of Texas... but wait, then your have to put OU ahead of Texas Tech.... In a case like this, the choice can't be made based on who beat who. You just have to pick the best team, and right now it is OU.

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hunter — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:00:13 GMT

John T-I am tired of people just throwing Texas Tech out the window just because they lost last night. That doesn't make sense...There is still a 3-way tie atop the Big 12 South and you can't just discount Texas Tech and say Texas should get it due to their head to head win over OU. Dumb arguement!!!!!!!

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Bill Manlove, Fackler,Alabama — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:05:25 GMT

Alabama has been given no respect all year. Coach Saban keeps them well grounded and in the end they will still be undefeated. Auburn is a joke this year and Florida is always over rated. Bama fans know any win in the powerful SEC is big and Alabama has and will find a way to win the rest of the season.ROLL TIDE!!!!!

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Football Fan, NY — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:05:30 GMT

Perhaps you forgot that Texas Tech also beat UTexas and OU beat Texas Tech. So there is a big HOLE in your argument.

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Doug, Lewisville, TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:13:16 GMT

Texas over OU...Please. The red river shootout is a huge rivalry and anything can happen. Texas played better than they are that day. OU showed its superiority by crushing Texas Tech.

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Paul, Chicago IL — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:16:11 GMT

A 3 way tie breaker between teams with identical records and who beat each other round robin style CANNOT be decided by head to head matchup, by definition.
If you had any logical consistency then your insistence on ranking Texas ahead of OU would likewise demand that Tech still be ranked above Texas because Tech beat Texas. You can't have selective amnesia when recalling these games.
What it comes down to is which of the results of these 3 round robin games you are you are most willing to ignore. It seems obvious you are willing to ignore Texas's lost and emphasize Texas win.
Lastly, you deplore the current Big 12 3 way tie breaker system as subjective yet you point towards the SEC system as an objective one. Is it not subjective too, as it does use the final human polls to select the top 2 teams from which then head to head match up is emplyed?
Lastly, you seem to deride the frequent use of ranking teams based on their current play ("hot teams") yet is this not the exact thing that is propelling Florida to it's lofty ranking?
Florida lost AT HOME to an average Ole Miss team. Neither OU, Texas, nor Tech's loss was at home to such a mediocre opponent. Yet every sports writer in America labels Florida as the best team in the country.

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Ronald Weathersby, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:21:55 GMT

USC is not the number two team in the PAC-10,. If the Trojans and the Beavers of Oregon State win out they will be Co-Champs. OSU will get the automatic bid to the Rose Bowl because they defeated the Trojans but they will go down as Co-Champions. Additionally, the Trojans will be ranked in the top five of all the polls this week and may climb as high as second or third in the BCS after the inevitable blood-letting in the SEC & Big-Twelve Championship games.

By the way, if I had a vote Oklahoma would be ranked above Texas based on the fact that UT lost to Texas Tech and the Sooners demolished Tech. I know about the head-to-head but that was then. Today Oklahoma looks like the better team.

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william — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:28:13 GMT

The Texas/OU argument could be made for Texas/Texas Tech. So why is Texas more deserving that Tech since tech beat them just a few weeks ago?
I wish we would just go back to the old system where everyone played everyone in the conference and had no non conference games. Then you have 3 or 4 extra weeks to have the top teams play each other then could finish a play off with the bowls and maybe add a national championship game.

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Dee Gee — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:34:17 GMT

Your points regarding OU -vs- Texas are very well stated. OU should be given credit for what they did to Tech, however they should not be given extra credit for running up pints needlessly after the game is clearly over. Texas could have done the same on several occasions but put in their reserves once it was clear the game was over. We should remember that these are student athletes, not pros and that the 2nd and 3rd string players should be allowed to play in the games when possible.

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Todd Cherry — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:41:13 GMT

Where do you get the ideal they played on a neutral field. They were in the State of Texas when they played. Neutral would have to be defined by playing outside of both Oklahoma and Texas.

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Will Sergeant — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:45:45 GMT

Great logic! So Texas Tech should be ranked ahead of Texas, right?

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Wallace DePue — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:51:39 GMT

Bottom line? Texas convincingly beat Oklahoma....period. Texas should always be ranked higher than Oklahoma for the rest of the season. I say, ask Missouri if they would allow Oklahoma and Texas to play for the big 12 championship. Why not? After-all, Texas hammered Missouri already this season. There better not be any BCS fraud going on if Texas gets ranked below Oklahoma.

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Richard, Thornton, CO — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:58:56 GMT

Let me get this straight, you say Texas Tech is out of it because they got stomped...but OU is behind Texas because Texas beat OU? Hey, didn't Texas Tech beat Texas? Don't they have one loss now? Why, by your logic, wouldn't Texas Tech be higher than Texas?!?

Seems to me if TT beat TU, TU beat OU, and OU beat TU then it stands to reason that perhaps we should factor the quality of the win. Shouldn't OU be ahead?

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Stapp Carrollton, Texas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:59:39 GMT

TTU, OU, TU all have the same record. If you say that Texas should be ahead of OU, should not Texas Tech be ahead of Texas? The logic in this arguement is flawed. There is no right answer. The "least-worse" method would have to be to look at how they played vs. common opponents. Texas beat Oklahoma State by 4. If Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State by more than 4 (in Stillwater) wouldn't that count for something? TTU also needs to still be included in this discussion, as they have the same record as the other two. Also, the non-conference season should be considered. Do Florida Atlantic, UTEP, Rice and Arkansas for Texas match up with Chattanooga, #16 Cincinnatti, #14 TCU and Washington? OU is the better team, lost the Texas game late (in part due to injuries) and the 10 point spread wasn't as bad as it sounds. Additonally, if you want to make the style points argument, TTU dominated Texas for most of the game until the the end of the 4th quarter.

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Courtney, Fort Worth Texas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:00:21 GMT

Remember the three way tie between Texas Tech/Texas/and Oklahoma? You can't just throw out Texas Tech and look at OU/Texas.

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Brandon, Watauga, Texas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:11:11 GMT

So UT's loss to Tech means nothing now? How convenient.

While we're at it, may I suggest that Ole Miss should get to play in the national title game. Afterall, they went to the Swamp and beat the media darlings in their own backyard back in September.

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Alicia Hoffman, Bixby, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:27:37 GMT

Dude...half the OU defense was out on injury during the OU/Texas game and they knew and took advantage. No one blames them for that so Duh OU lost. Play it again and Texas would have their a__ handed to them.

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matt, arlington,texas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:31:35 GMT

So what you are saying is if OU beat TTU by say 14 points - it would be back to a 3 team conversation. Head to head would be thrown out the door and non conference schedule and style points would be the determining factors. Did OU hurt itself by man handling
them like they did?

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Geoff Smith, Bristow, Oklahoma. — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:32:43 GMT

In using your logic of head to head...does Stoops post game comments not make any sense. If the logic is that Oklahoma can not move ahead of Texas because Texas won against Oklahoma, then You can not denie that same logic and rank Texas ahead of Texas Tech. Rankings are about the entire body of work, not just one game. Your rankings completely conflict your own logic. Florida has the worst loss of all the one loss teams(they lost to a 4 loss team on their own home field) yet you rank them higher than both Texas and Oklahoma. You and other writers are the reason College football is such a mess.

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Mike — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:41:16 GMT

If head to head match ups will decide the rankings then Texas Tech should remain ranked ahead of Texas, both have only one loss, and Texas Tech beat Texas. You can't apply the head to head rule to Oklahoma and Texas and not to Texas and Texas Tech.

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Don Athens, GA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:42:57 GMT

Using the logic of the first sentence, shouldn't the Texas-Texas Tech game have settled that debate. And if so, shouldn't the OU-Texas Tech game have settle that debate. So where are we, in a loop - LOL. Take the points racked up by each team against the other 2, and the one with the most, is the best. And that is OU. A 10 point game is close enough to, with a different bounce or 2 have gone another way. But a 40+ point game is just a plain whipping.

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David, Edmond, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:53:02 GMT

That is a rediculous article. You make it sound as though Texas Tech doesn't deserve to be in the equation as a 1-loss team from the Big 12.

Texas did beat Oklahoma, and Tech beat Texas, and Oklahoma beat Tech, so its really equal from that persective and its rediculous to ignor Texas' loss and give them favor for beating Oklahoma.

In a three way tie, the only way to figure out who REALLY deserves the catbird seat is to look at MARGIN OF VICTORY.

Texas won by 10 and lost by 6, giving them a net win margin of 4.

Tech won by 6 and lost by 44, giving them a net loss margin of 38.

Oklahoma won by 44 and loss by 10, giving them a net win margin of 34.

If you don't pretend like Texas' loss to Tech should be ignored, and if you rank the three ties equitably by win margins, there is no doubt who comes out on top.

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papa jay, Edmond, ok — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:53:55 GMT

according to your theory Texas should be ahead of OU because results is what matters...yet you dismiss the "results" of Texas' loss to Tech. You can't have it both ways, if Texas should be ahead of OU because they won head to head, then Texas can't be ahead of Tech...something has to give and OU had the most dominating win of the three head to heads and should represent the Big 12 South. I'm tired of Texas fans using the head to head argument but self servingly forgeting their loss to Tech.

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jason serigan — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:02:34 GMT

Head to head doesnt work in a 3 way tie. Texas Tech beat Texas in case you forgot that. Why does Texas get a pass in the head to head argument against them?

By the end of the year, OU will have played 6 top 25 teams:

Missouri
Texas Tech
OSU
Cincinnati
TCU
Texas

Texas will have only played 4: Mizzou, OSU, Texas Tech, OU

OU beat the Big East conference champion: Cincinnati as well as a top 15 TCU team that will finish 2nd behind Utah in the MWC. Texas played a bunch of scrubs OOC.

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Chris, Edmond, OK. — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:02:42 GMT

OU is ahead of Texas because of the BCS. OU has been hosed by the BCS and may now be helped by it. Either TCU or Cincinnati, both of whom the Sooners blew out, are better than any non-conference opponent of Texas. Mike Leach saw both teams and knows firsthand that OU is better than Texas. OU lost its starting middle linebacker during the Texas game while ahead and did not have a suitable backup ready. Texas did not start running with any success in that game until Ryan Reynolds went out. DeMarco Murray was still gaining confidence in his surgically repaired knee during the Texas game. He showed last night how good he is and what he could have done to Texas if he was 100% at that time. OU is a better team than Texas. They deserve to be ahead of Texas and right now, Sam Bradford, Mel Kiper's #2 best draft-eligible college player, should be the Heisman front-runner

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raymond — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:05:30 GMT

Actually I wondered why Texas and not Texas Tech?

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Ron, San Diego, CA — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:27:16 GMT

You can say all you want about head-to-head but there is a 3-way tie now. Texas beat Oklahoma but lost to Tech who lost to the Sooners. So how can you say that Texas should be ranked above the Sooners based on head-to-head?

If it was just Texas and Oklahoma, sure that would work, but it's not. The tie breaking component is the BCS and Oklahoma made their case this weekend. They will have a chance to finish it off next weekend and assure themselves of the Big 12 South Championship. Oklahoma's only loss was to the then #2 team in the Nation, Texas lost to the #5 team. All things being equal, Texas should be lower in the standings.

Look for the Sooners to do some damage next week and give themselves a solid chance at the Title this year.

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Keith, Waco, TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:27:34 GMT

I must have missed all the "talking heads" on TV who are for OU....because the big boys on ESPN Gameday are still promoting Texas over OU...I'm just glad to see the voters are basing their vote on reality and who is playing the best football...if Florida get's a free pass for their loss to Ole Miss, OU should have the same for the loss against Texas...afterall, we didn't break until we lost our MVP of our defense Ryan Reynolds, even then we outplayed them for 3 quarters, so it is not like Texas took it to us on the field! We had a bad injury, lost the game and have come racing back by playing the best football in the nation...if we win out, we deserve a shot at the national title...

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Howie, Indianapolis, IN — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:33:05 GMT

I won't get into the OU/TX debate, but you can't argue not to rank OU higher after seeing where you placed Florida. The Gators lost at HOME. Not on a neutral field and not on the road. It is hypocritical to deny the Sooners the same courtesy as your inflated ranking of Florida is based on their strong play of late- conveniently overlooking what should be a crippling loss.

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Tom Slick Oklahoma City — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:36:15 GMT

Hmmm lets see if I get This. Texas played a mostly cupcake non conference schedule this year, like most years. OU played TCU and Cincinati Who will most likely be a conference Champion, OH by the way, They were destroyed as well. They lost to Texas In Dallas Texas on a NEUTRAL field sorta. They also lost there middle linebacker and Momentum in the forth Quarter after whopping on Texas all day and being ahead by as much as 14 points until said forth Quarter. So don't put it forth as Texas was totally domaint in the qame they were the ones who GOT LUCKY in October. I know I watched it all. A kick return got there game on and they won. End of story. What other conference champion did texas defeat this year.? Hmm. Sooner Fan, you bet I am. The question is do you watch the games or just look at the results on the wire?

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Tim, Oklahoma City, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:39:19 GMT

Using your logic, Texas Tech should be ranked ahead of Texas. After all, they are both one loss teams and Tech beat Texas. Oh, but the results of the game in Lubbock are conveniently being forgotten. What was that you said about results should matter most?

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Doc — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:43:07 GMT

If Texas and OU was "settled on the field" as you say, then Texas Tech would still be ranked over Texas. Truth of the matter is that UT did beat OU, but while UT lost to TTech, OU destroyed them. Advantage OU.

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Willie, San Antonio, TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:57:47 GMT

Thanks John!
Finally someone is making some sense about all of this. I really don't care when or where it was played. It was decided ON the field. UT beat OU.....enough said!

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Norman, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:59:16 GMT

USC's getting dissed in this one big time. No doubt Vegas oddmakers would favor the Trojans over any of the teams ranked above them. Facts is facts...

Team (NCAA rank Offense/Defense)

Alabama (58th/3rd)- given up 17 TD's

Texas (8th/53rd)- given up 26 TD's

Florida (18th/9th)- given up 16 TD's

Oklahoma (3rd/56th)- given up 34 TD's

USC (16th/2nd)- given up 10 TD's

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Brian Peterson, Austin, Texas — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:13:05 GMT

TT won on its home field against UT. OU won on its home field against TT. UT beat OU on a neutral field.

UT>OU>TT

End of discussion.

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John Doe, Dallas, TX — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:13:52 GMT

Using that logic, any coach in the USA Today Poll ranking the Longhorns higher than the Red Raiders, should turn in his whistle. It's a THREE-WAY tie.

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John Doe — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:18:06 GMT

Why is Florida ranked ahead of OU, Texas, or TT? They lost AT HOME to an UNRANKED team. Give me a break SEC lover.

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Hunter, Norman, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:27:15 GMT

Already settled? Interesting theory. But regardless of your opinion (which is terrible), you should of waited until the outcome of next Saturday's game between Oklahoma State and Oklahoma to voice it. Oklahoma State took Texas to the wire in Austin, and if you have every watched a Bedlam game (which I highly doubt) you would know that anything can happen. If Oklahoma can win in Stillwater next weekend, they deserve to go to the Big 12 Championship game. I'll give you the reason, the three teams tied in the Big 12 south have one thing in common. They have not won on the road. Texas lost in Lubbock, Tech was beaten in Norman, and the Sooners lost on a neutral field. This has potential to be the best Bedlam series since the year Barry Sanders won the Heisman for OK State.

Moral of the story, you have no right to voice this opinion right now when there is still so much football to be played.

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Don Lucas, Dallas, Tex — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:42:24 GMT

OK, so Oklahoma should ALWAYS be ranked below Texas because of a game that was played in early October? Why then are you not also insisting that USC should ALWAYS be ranked below Oregon State? Same old West Coast double standard. Every year.

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Casey, Whitehall, Ohio — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:03:44 GMT

John Tamanaha? Who is this guy? I'm disappointed that this is the best NBC can put out there. He should get on some local radio show as an AM 'homer' in Iowa City or Austin. Lame column. Last time I'll click in the direction of your posts. Not worth the time I spent reading or posting. Come on, NBC.

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Sooner Man — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:05:10 GMT

What a dreamer. The national championship should go to the best team in the country. Clearly OU is better than tx now. You have no cred.

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Mike Williamson — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:14:07 GMT

Just because they lost last time doesn't mean that OU hasn't improved more than Texas.

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Jean Gallagher — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:32:05 GMT

I agree with you. I believe the Longhorns should be rated higher than the Sooners. The reason...they play each game to win, they play hard and until the last second of the game are in there all the way. They are a first-class team that has first-class coaches and fans that teach "team spirit" and courtesy to those visiting their field unlike some teams like Texas Tech that tore down the goal posts and had to be bristled off the field three times by the security efforts when there was still time on the clock. We have to remember these are college kids playing a very competitive game but we still need to be their mentors and provide them encouragement that good things will come from their hard work and efforts but there are guidelines that will have to be followed. It is not how high the score, not when you played your winning game (early in season versus late), not one game as a shining star but consistentcy throughout the season...and Texas is the best team to represent that tenant.

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Owen Riggs, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:36:47 GMT

In regards to OU-Texas already being settled--you really can't use the head to head theory when there is a three way tie. By using head to head what about Tech? They beat Texas head to head. So if your going to say that Texas beat OU they should be ranked higher--Tech beat Texas. Shouldnt they be in the mix. Head to Head is out the window in a 3-way tie. Sorry.

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John Carter — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:51:06 GMT

Mr. Tamanaha would have a point if the BCS lineup were chosen by virtue of mid-season results, but that's just not the case. The title game teams will be picked based on where teams stand at the end of the season, which makes sense because some improve and some don't, often because of injuries.

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Rick, Oklahoma City, Oklah — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:54:07 GMT

If you go by the theory that texas beat oklahoma and they should remain ahead of oklahoma, even after the pounding they put on tech then you have to put tech ahead of texas based on the same premise. After all tech did beat texas, but with the pounding that ou put on tech, you can not say that that does not count. Maybe Mack would like to play OU in the big 12 championship to see who goes on.

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Judy Jackson, Jenks, OK — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:55:17 GMT

For those of you who want to use the reasoning that Texas should be ranked ahead of Oklahaoma based on Texas's win over Sooners then how do you explain Oregon State not being ranked ahead of USC, Miss not being ranked ahead of Florida, and I don't see another Big Ten school ranked ahead of Penn State. Head-to-head matchup only seems to apply to Texas-Oklahoma. Will someone please elighten me?

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Carl, Dallas, TX — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:04:25 GMT

So your tiebreaker appears to be: eliminate the team who lost the most lopsided game of the 3. Then head-to-head among the remaining two. In essence, if Oklahoma had just allowed Tech to remain competitive, and thus themselves viable for the Big 12 South title, OU may still have a chance. It's a 3 way round robin, and in every sport, that means you must find a tiebreaker other than head-to-head. Margin of victory in the 3 way series? OU. Overall quality of teams beaten? OU, as TCU and Cinci are far better than anyone the other 2 played.

Frankly, I've yet to find a good argument, other than "Who would want to see that again?," that Florida should be ahead of any of them, even beating Bama. I mean let's face it, LSU and Georgia are their best wins. Anyone want to guess the Vegas line if either of those teams played Missouri, the Big 12's 5th best team?

And don't get me started on USC. the fact they are ahead of undefeated Utah who beat Oregon St. is a complete abdication of logic.

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Jeff, Norman, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:07:59 GMT

You could use the same argument for Florida. #2? Who cares if they're playing better now? They lost to a non-ranked team. Better turn in your whistle too, John.

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Rod, Fayetteville, Ark — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:08:58 GMT

It's been a rough year but Arkansas will be better off in the long run without Houston Nutt. He's burned a lot of bridges in the state. He was having a hard time recruiting in state and most of the state's recruits we heading out of state. Even if Nutt had stayed Arkansas was in store for a rough year. It was also bound to be rough because we were playing so many freshman and because we were switching our type of offense and game plan. It's been painful this year but give Petrino a little more time and more time to recruit and I think Razorback fans will be happy in the long run. Nutt happened into a lucky situation at Ole Miss. He had a lot of talent lined up for him there. Nutt started pretty well at Arkansas as well with someone else's recruits. But he's plagued by inconsistency. He'll have a good year when many aren't expecting it. But then he'll follow it up with a poor year. Let's see if that trend follows him to Ole Miss as well.

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Dan, Lubbock, TX — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:22:54 GMT

wow, talk about bias... your logic is retarded. "unfortunatly" we don't have a tie-break rule for teams ranked within 5 BCS positions... that is the dumbest garbage i've ever heard of... either you let the BCS make the decision, or you don't. what would make NO sense would be to let the BCS rankings be the qualification for using a rule in the conference, which makes everything that much more confusing while still leaving it ultimatly up to the BCS

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kelli, ft smith, ar — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:39 GMT

oklahoma is the hottest team down the stretch. bet alabama or florida doesn't want to play them right now

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Mac Gardner — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:01:13 GMT

Does anybody who happened to witness the "game" last night REALLY think that Texas could handle OU? No one seems to remember that OU led most of the game in Dallas in October until Defensive signal-caller, Captain, and Middle Linebacker Ryan Reynolds left with a knee injury. It took OU several weeks to find and train his replacement while other teams exploited the weakness on slant passes and screens in Reynolds' area, but Austin Box proved last night that he is more than up to the task.
In addition, everybody seems to have forgotten the FOUR crucial blown calls (3 HORRIBLE personal foul penalties and a disallowed interception in the end zone) which had a huge impact on the outcome. The calls were so bad that the TV crew said so, which is pretty rare. OU was dead even in yardage with Texas, but when you give a great team like
Texas FOUR extra chances to score, it is tough to overcome. But, as OU fans, we are used to getting hosed every two or three years by the refs in "NEUTRAL" Dallas TEXAS, we just have to chalk it up to the price you have to pay to play in Dallas every year. OU has had the best offense in the country for weeks, averaging almost 50 points in the FIRST HALF for the past 5 games. Last night, the defense gelled due to outstanding preperation by both the coaches and players. A large group of talking heads, most notibly ESPN'S Mark May, Lou Holtz, Doug Flutie and Lee Corso, all suggested a couple of weeks ago that OU was ranked too high and needed to be voted down in the polls because of a "suspect defense" (the night that OU beat a GOOD Nebraska team that lost in OVERTIME to Tech. OU wins by 34 points, and, due to ESPN pressure, drops from 4th to 6th in the BCS. To the ESPN crew's credit, they all changed their tune after last night's 44 point rout, which really COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Texas is a great team with a great coaching staff. I hope they play USC in a bowl. Texas will kick butt no matter where they play. If OU brings their "A" game to Miami, my crystal ball tells me that Stoops and company will bring another crystal ball back to Norman.

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Mac Gardner — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:12:48 GMT

Regarding Charlie Weis, I think the guy is a class act, and that is coming from someone who has NEVER liked Notre Dame. Although Notre Dame has the advantage of recruitment of Catholic players, they also have the disadvantage of more stringent academic requirements for admission, and there aren't that many Rhodes Scholors who play football, with the exception of the Florida State player this year. Remember, Big Twelve coaces Gary Pinkel at Missouri and Mark Mangino at Kansas were "on the hot seat" just two years ago, and both have had pretty good runs since then, including Mangino's Orange Bowl victory last year.

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T. Cain, Springfield VA — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:37:56 GMT

Big 12 South already settled? Apparently not. The coaches, who should know better, continue to rank OU ahead of TX. Even though the Longhorns lost to Tech, barely, it was an away game at the end of the toughest 4-game stretch any college team has faced this year. OU got Tech at home after a week off, and has yet to face OSU. Is the Big 12 really going to send 2 teams to the Championship that were beaten by TX?

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Dave Martinez, Katy, Texas — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:25:16 GMT

It blows my mind that you have the forum to get out such a skewed message. Obviously you don't see the flaw in your logic. It's a 3-way tie. It's not just OU vs Texas. Add Tech in the mix too. So your logic on head to head would run into the quandry of well Tech beat Texas, so they should be above them. But wait, OU beat Tech so they should be above them. Wow, crazy isn't it. Thus, the team arguably playing the best ball this point in the season is OU, which the AP and the Coach's polls both attest to. Take time to play out your argument, before you go public.

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Rob, Oklahoma City, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:32:45 GMT

Are you kidding me? If head to head is everything then there is no tie breaker. In order from first to last, Texas beat OU. Tech beat Texas. OU beat Tech. Each team has but 1 loss. All three teams lost on the road. You can call the Cotton Bowl a neutral site but its located in the middle of the TEXAS state fair. Call me biased but your circular logic provides an obvious fallacy

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EXPERT JOCK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:13:59 GMT

The last time I checked the Red River Shootout is one of the greatest rivalry games and the best neutral site regular season game. ESPN College Game Day was present and front row this year. Did everyone already forget the outcome of the game??? Texas won by 10 points. The Media and Coaches elevated Texas, an unheard of, 4 spots to the #1 ranking in the nation. Texas' loss came on the road...

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Warren Metcalf, Norman, Oklahoma — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:31:18 GMT

Throw logic out the window if you're going to make this argument: Texas beat Oklahoma, so Texas should finish ahead. But wait! Texas Tech beat Texas, so Tech should finish ahead of Texas. But double wait!! Oklahoma destroyed Texas Tech, so Oklahoma should finish ahead of Tech.

Point is, you can't make the argument that this issue should be settled on the field because each of the three teams has one loss, and they beat each other. But that doesn't stop your intrepid columnist from making it anyway. Just goes to show that you don't have to think logically to be a sports writer. But we knew that already.

So what we are left with is strength of schedule, which is exactly what the BSC formula is using. If OU gets past a formidable OSU team in Stillwater next week, they should win the Big 12 South. And if they get past the very dangerous Missouri team in the Big 12 championship game, then they absolutely belong in the National Championship game.

In a perfect world, all this would be settled on the field. But you can't employ this argument selectively, using it to favor one team (Texas) over another (Oklahoma) while completely ignoring the third (Texas Tech). You want it settle on the field? Then support a true playoff system.

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hgw,McAlester OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:52:54 GMT

One major flaw in your assumptions. Texas beat OU upon loss of the Senior Safety Reynolds, the leader of the Defense and they took advantage of that vacuum. Since that time OU has rebuilt it's defense as demonstrated Saturday night. The rankings should reflect who is best now. Undoubtedly it's OU. Remember since Texas beat OU, Texas Tech beat Texas, and OU stomped TT.

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Justin, OKC, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:53:18 GMT

John, the problem with what you say is that you are trying to use logic which doesn't work well in the situation of a three way tie. One could just as easily say Texas Tech deserves a higher ranking than Texas because of a head to head victory, or that OU deserves a higher ranking than Tech because OU destroyed Tech. Unfortunately, it just won't work because one team in this scenario will be ranked below a team they beat head to head. Therefore it is perfectly fair for the coaches and media to vote in favor of any of the three teams that impressed them the most this season. Consider also that Texas won in the fourth quarter after taking out OU's middle linebacker, team captain, (Ryan Reynolds) who was also responsible for lining up the defense. Texas was unable to score (on offense) until they ended Ryan's season with a torn ACL. On the other hand, Texas lost to Tech without their best D-linemen so that game might have gone differently with Orakpo (sp?) there. Tech on the other hand had no freakin chance against OU (and they had all their players healthy). Anyway, just my two cents. You could make a case for any of the three teams using your logic but it ends up giving you a headache because it's an endless loop. In this case you have to base your decision on who has had the best overall season and not consider who lost to who. In the end, if OU can beat OSU they will probably get the nod because they will be the only Big XII South team that beat a ranked division opponent at their house. OU will have also beaten two ranked out of conference opponents, including the Big East Champion. If OU loses to OSU, then Texas won't be going to the Big XII Title game anyway. It seems like BS that Texas has to root for OU to win and then use the media to try give OU the shaft in a three way tie by claiming the head to head victory which doesn't determine the outcome in this situation, the BCS rankings do.

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John, Bartlesville, Okla. — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:07:42 GMT

What is so amazing to me is that all you AP writers 'give it up' for the SEC. You rate Flordia over Oklahoma based on last weeks games. Flordia beat a 24 or 25th ranked team by 65 pts and you fell all over yourselves to crown them heir apparent to one spot in the BGS big game, while Oklahoma smashed the no 2 team by 65 pts and you place them behind Texas who was beaten by Texas Tech. You jump Flordia over Okla. Why, do you work for the SEC? Just admit it. You hold Okla to a different standard because you just do not like them. I guess they made you pay for your meals when you visited Norman. Sure the loss to Texas was bad, but it was an early game and what has Okla. accomplished since then. I would love to see Okla play Flordia in the BIG game. Tebow vs Bradford. But if you all have your way two SEC teams will be playing. or maybe your other favorite, USC will jump everybody because your scared of the coach. ha your system makes me laugh.

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JJ Super Sooner — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:58:42 GMT

texas hasn't settled anything..SOONERS RULE...OU # 1

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Larry W. — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:16:13 GMT

Lame reporting oh wait, this isn't reporting. It's blogging! Were the writer in question doesn't have to be credintialed just mind less. Say what you want about UT and OU, but Ou beat the crap out of a team (Tech), who UT couldn't keep up with and fold when the game was on the line. I have been saying this for weeks, Alabama will lose to Florida and Texas and Oklahoma will have a rematch. Watch out ABC, the biggest football gave in history is coming to the Orange Bowl!

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Paul Schulz, Ponca City, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:18:50 GMT

As Coach Stoops said, If you rank Texas ahead of Oklahoma because of the head-to-head matchup, you have to rank Texas Tech ahead of Texas for the same reason. Then you have to put Oklahoma ahead of Texas Tech again. Notice the dog chasing its own tail situation? So you want it both ways now? I'm guessing what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

The problem with the Big XII is that the divisions keep the two best teams in the conference from playing each other in the finals.

Oh how I long for the Big VIII.

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david michels — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:49:26 GMT

Your going to use the logic that the Sooners lost to a number 4 Texas at the time and rate Florida over both, who by the way lost to an unranked Mississippi State at home,because THEY BARE PLAYING WELL NOW(your words),it goes against your whole argument about the Sooners being always behind Texas no matter what. Sooners beat Tech Texas and Tech beat Texas how come Tech is not Higher than Texas, both are 10-1. Not easy to spin that is it. Your logic is how you want to spin it..

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todd dills plano tx — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:58:30 GMT

Rankings are for the current week who the voters feel is the better team at the time.If voters were to think the way you do they couldnt rank Texas above Texas Tech because thats already been settled.Your cannot compare head to head in a three way tie!!

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Earl Fultz, Pleasant Hill, MO — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:36:29 GMT

Sorry, John, but you blatantly contradict yourself. If you have to rank Texas above OU because of head-to-head, then you have to rank Texas Tech above Texas because of head-to-head, AND you have to rank OU above Texas Tech because of head-to-head. You're essentially saying the OU-Texas game counts, but the Texas-Texas Tech game doesn't. But, logically, if you have three one-loss teams that beat each other, the head-to-heads cancel each other out.

Also, you basically give Florida a pass for their loss. Why is Florida's loss to an unranked team better than OU's and Texas's losses to top 5 teams? It must be because you're looking at Florida's other wins. Yet, you refuse to give that same kind of credit to OU.

So, it seems that according to your reasoning, Texas's and Florida's losses don't really mean anything, but OU's loss does. And THAT, my friend, is why you're wrong.

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Bob, Springfield, VA — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:37:27 GMT

So maybe the Feista Bowl should step outside the box and take both Utah and Boise State in a battle of unbeatens - that could be the best of the January Bowls especially if the BCS sets a rematch between Texas and OU - of course is we get the rematch - that would set up Florida vs. SoCal in the Sugar - now which game is truly the MNC?

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Matt Strubolt, Strubolt, CA — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:18:13 GMT

So if results matter the most, then Texas Tech should go to the Big XII championship game if there is a three way tie. You can't claim the BCS is subjective and then say playing at a neutral field site should be what matter's the most, that discredits Tech's win over Texas. OU hung more on Tech and Texas than either team hung on the other two teams. The BCS rewards the best teams, and sorry Texas, if you're going to hold a victory early in the season as the champion of your mantle, then you're gonna get left out. OU-Texas is a madhouse game, it's one that either team could win any time. Texas won this year, but that does that mean they're the better team? No.

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james tulsa — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:36:22 GMT

If your theory were correct then you could never rank texas higher than tech because "it was already settled" who the better team between those two is. Your article doesn't hold water...

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C. Maberry, Dallas, Texas — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:13:35 GMT

That's a great use of logic, Tamanaha. So under your rules, Texas Tech should be ranked ahead of Texas, right? But seriously, OU absolutely demolished a Texas Tech team that Texas lost to by a point. And OU is playing much better football the last month or so, especially on defense, than it did against Texas. You can't just look at a single game (OU/Texas) to determine who is the better team. You need to look at their body of work over the course of the entire season, with more emphasis on how they are playing lately. Because after all, people don't vote on who was the best team in mid-October, they vote based on who they think is the best team RIGHT NOW. And currently, the coaches obviously think OU is better than Texas. So enough with the criticism of coaches who voted OU ahead of Texas; they probably have much more experience with football than you do - indeed, they have probably even played football, something it does not look like you have ever done.

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John Roady, Saint Charles, MO — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:41:41 GMT

There are at least 4 teams in the Big 12 that could, and probably would, beat Alabama and Miami. That's what's so unfair about the BCS. Strength of schedule should account for more in the rankings. Case in point is Utah and Boise State. Neither should be ranked in the top 20.

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Brent, Dallas, TX — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:41:43 GMT

oh Please...if you use that logic, then Texas should be behind Texas Tech...yes, they lost in the last few seconds, but were behind and outplayed the entire game, save for 6 minutes in the final quarter. Yes, they should have intercepted the ball...blah blah blah...but the same argument can be made for Oklahoma. Take 3 plays out of the TU-OU game and the Sooners win by more than 10 points. Also, if you are sticking to head-to-head matchups, then why is Florida ranked so high? Shouldn't they be behind Ole Miss? They were beaten on the HOME field. So, take your Texas biased butt out of this conversation and take a look at who's playing the best at the moment. No question...Oklahoma and Florida.
Nuff said!

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Brad Moore Edmond, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:42:06 GMT

How can you say the matter of who is better, between OU and Texas has been settled? There has been no playoff. these two teams played 6 weeks ago. A playoff has to be at the end of the season, not early or mid-season. I think everyone would agree that some teams get better and some teams get worse as the season progresses. This is influenced by depth of personnel, injuries, coaches ability to make adjustment and the overall ability to improve week-after-week.

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John Roady, Saint Charles, MO — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:45:21 GMT

Who says Dallas is a neutral site for the annual Oklahoma and Texas game? Texans, that's who. Dallas is no more a neutral site than Oklahoma City would be. It's time to forget this neutral BS. Play home and away like everybody else.

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Michael, Dallas, TX. — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:58:46 GMT

If we are looking at results of head to head competition, then Tech should rank ahead of Texas. If you apply that rule OU, then it should be applied objectively to all teams in the top 25.

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Brian Peterson, Austin, Texas — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:26:12 GMT

Another way to look at this is margin of loss between the three teams and location of that loss.

OU lost vs. Texas by 10 points on a neutral field.

Texas lost vs. Tech by 6 points at Tech home field.

Tech lost vs. OU by 44 at OU home field.

Therefore, it can be concluded

Texas>OU>Tech.

Q.E.D.

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Josh, Norman, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:46:40 GMT

I understand your argument, but why will you stop at saying OU should be behind Texas. Based on head-to-head results, you should clearly rank Texas Tech above Texas, as Texas Tech won based on on the field results.

When there is a three way tie, what better way is there to decide who wins? Unfortunately, it comes down to the decisions of computers and voters (a/k/a BCS).

I do wish Reynolds had not gotten hurt in the second half at the Cotton Bowl, as this would all be moot. On the other hand, you can't tell me that Mack Brown and Texas wants anything to do with us again, as the defensive side of the ball has finally gelled after losing Reynolds.

All I'm saying, is you can't argue that Texas should be ranked ahead of OU based on head-to-head results, and then conveniently throw that argument to the wayside by ranking Texas ahead of Texas Tech.

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Stanley Jackson — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:52:15 GMT

To John Tamanaha:

By your logic, Texas should be rated above OU because they beat the Sooners head to head. Okay fine. But by thatlogic, TEXAS TECH SHOULD STILL BE RATED HIGHER THAN THE LONGHORNS. Do you really want to go there?

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Fred, Houston, TX — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:54:33 GMT

Your OU-UT-TTU argument is not logical. A three-way tie means that each team has defeated one of the other teams, so this idea that you just take the head-to-head between OU and UT doesn't work because then you have to take TTU over UT and then OU over TTU, &c.

If you want to cross-off TTU because they were so totally dominated by OU, fine, but why does your logic here not work in reverse? If TTU is out for loosing so badly, why is OU not the clear South winner because they put on that most dominating performance against a #2 team in the history of football?

Additionally, by crossing-off TTU because they lost so badly last weekend, aren't you saying they are out of it because they are "not a hot team right now" and "they currently aren't playing the best football," which is exactly the approach you say shouldn't be taken?

The proper way to choose between the three is to consider all factors: UT beat OU in a close game (OU led for 3 1/2 quarters, lest you forget), TTU beat UT in an even closer game, OU destroyed TTU two weeks later (by the way, home-field advantage doesn't account for 65-21), strength of schedule, and general performance.

Bottom line: I thought an OU win by 14 would be sufficient to put OU at the top of the South, but to think people would vote for UT after 65-21, with Bradford only playing three quarters, is baffling.

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Gary Mannies, Gilbert, AZ — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:30:18 GMT

When are all the Texas fans going to stop campaigning for Texas Tech to be rated higher than Texas. After all, Tech beat Texas and that seems to be the only criteria the Longhorns want to use in the rankings. If that is your criteria, fine. The Red Raiders will be a worthy representative for the Big 12 South.

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Buck — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:30:41 GMT

"OU OR TEXAS? WE ALREADY SETTLED THAT"
only settled as much as Texas or Texas Tech. If you can't put OU ahead of Texas then you have to leave Tech ahead of Texas.

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Kirby Hays, Mebane, NC — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:25:41 GMT

Using your logic, Texas Tech should be ranked higher than Texas. They beat them head to head and have the same win/loss record. You can not throw out the games you want and go with a head to head matchup to determine the better team. Besides, OU was handling Texas until they lost their middle linebacker. Texas was also aided by a couple of bogus calls when the OU players tried to keep McCoy from falling down and were flagged for unnecessary roughness. OU also intercepted a pass in the end zone which wasn't allowed and Texas ended up with another field goal.

You have to go with the better team, not necessarily the winner from several weeks ago. OU is much improved.

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Carter, Tulsa, OK — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:29:25 GMT

If you go off all the longhorn fans comments about beating OU then Tech should be rated higher than the longhorns. In a head to head matchup Tech is the better team over the longhorns so the "we beat OU so we should be ranked higher" is nothing but homerism at its finest. Get ready longhorn fans for OU to jump you in the BCS rankings - you can moan and twist the facts all you want - it is going to happen and all you can do it sit back and enjoy

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Chris P, Minneapolis, MN — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:31:21 GMT

The head to head logic doesn't work because of the round robin results. If you can't rank OK higher because they lost, then you can't rank TX above TT, or TT above OK. I have visions of Escher. And how is it that Dallas gets touted as a neutral site? Really? Just because it's not Austin? You think Texas isn't thankful that they don't have to play in Norman? Here's a news flash. The best team doesn't always win! I can watch a game and determine that the winning team was extremely fortunate to come out on top and that the better team lost. Or I can figure in results against common opponent. Or I can determine from subsequent games that a team has improved as younger players developed and decide that I think the team that lost earlier is a better team now. BTW, 'poll' is short for 'opinion poll' and opinions are subjective. You honestly think Texas would want a rematch? I don't. Texas beat OSU at home by 4 points. If OU beats OSU soundly in Stillwater will you still be asking voters to ignore all the other evidence?

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tbSooner — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:04:31 GMT

I have no idea how you are allowed to continue to post on MSNBC.com. You cannot simply discount the third team in a three way tie. Your little stipulation stating that if the top two teams of the tie scenario are within 5 spots then go head to head would work great except that all three teams will be within 5 spots of one another. You are an absolute idiot. Somebody fire this fool!!

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Dave Stout, Seattle WA — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:16:40 GMT

Another talking head idiot. If TX is better than OU cause they beat 'em then is Tx Tech better than TX for the same reason? What drivel. Consider, these 3 teams in the Big 12 South will have a total of 16 victories over top 15 ranked schools. FLA will have 1-2 and Alabama will have one. The BCS is a joke.

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Dave Stout, Seattle WA — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:19:28 GMT

Unbelieveable rankings. Ohio State has zero wins against top 15 ranked teams, Penn State has one, Alabama has zero. TX, Tech and OU have a combined 16!!!!! Go Big 12 South.

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Jerry Lyne, League City, Tx — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:25:06 GMT

What you did not mention about the OU-UT game was that Texas scored a couple of times after phantom unnecessary roughness calls at the end of McCoy runs at critical times. Without those, OU would have probably won that game.

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Gary, Anaheim, CA — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:01:23 GMT

Your logic for ranking Texas over Oklahoma reminds me of the old game, Rock, Paper, Scissors. If you rate Texas higher than OU because of their victory in Dallas, then Texas Tech has to be rated higher than Texas...but wait, OU beat Texas Tech, so they must be number one...hmmm. Maybe teams get better or weaker as the season progresses due to injuries or recoveries from injuries. I think that might be applicable to OU. They're a better team than Texas now because they're healthier.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:09:20 GMT

Florida loses at home and you rank them ahead of OU. Interesting logic.I'm sorry to see you don't hold OU / Texas to the same standard as everyone else, which seems to be lose early and we'll ignore who/where/why you lost, lose late and you're screwed. Well, OU lost early, Texas later and thus OU will jump Texas if they win at Oklahoma State this coming Saturday. This is the idiocy of Polls/BCS and no real championship in College Football today, live with it!

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R Johns — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:17:26 GMT

Odd to lead your views with Arkansas...but I will offer this. HDN has done a fine job with Orgeron's players, and benefited from a top QB transferring in. Kudos to all.

Give him a year or two, and he will be back in the lower half of the SEC West. He will find a cart to ride and then ride it until the wheels have been long sold on ebay.

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Kary, Tulsa, Oklahoma — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:27:54 GMT

I'm confused. If Texas is ranked above Oklahoma because they won the head-to-head, then why is it OK for Texas Tech to be ranked below Texas? They have the same record, played many of the same teams, and won the head-to-head.

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Ken Sliger, Houston, Texas — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:56:00 GMT

You ranked Texas ahead of Texas Tech who they lost head to head to. Make up your mind which it is.

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nobonetopick, Houston, TX — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:01:13 GMT

Sounds like you're bucking for Texas to play in the B12 Championship Game? How is that any less subjective than a Tech appearance, for instance, who according to your reasoning is more deserving than UT? The bottom line is, boiling it down to the Red River shootout results ignores the bigger picture - which unfortunately is clear as mud.

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jj, austin, texas — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:40:23 GMT

In response to the toothless idiot from oklahoma, I would love to see oklahoma lose to oklahoma state, because that would almost guarantee a trip to the bcs championship game for texas. Look at the rankings idiot, it would be impossible for texas tech to jump texas in the bcs rankings even if they stomped missouri in the big twelve championship game.

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David Thomas — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:17:27 GMT

This author really lacks of logic. Say, if Oklahoma just beat TT by 12 points not the actual 44 points, then we should not eliminate TT from tie break talk, and all 3 school should be considered. Since OU beat TT that bad, then we should only consider Texas and OU and Texas should win the tie break. What is the logic here? OU will benefit if it actually played worse.

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Daniel Austin, Texas — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:16:33 GMT

All of you clowns arguing for Oklahoma need to go back and read the article again. He clearly states that Tech is out of the debate (with himself) and so it comes down to the other two teams. If he hadn't said that then everything you said would be correct. But his assumption is that Tech is no longer in the argument because of their loss this late in the season. Accordingly, it then becomes a two team race and this means a head to head comparison. Texas won that game earlier in the season.

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JD, Austin, TX — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:34:19 GMT

You people have GOT to be kidding. Florida lost by one point in the last seconds of the game. Lets not forget Strength of schedule.

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Billy Sonner, Norman, OK — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:17:03 GMT

I'm not sure which TT/Texas game you were watching but Tech soundly beat Texas in the first half and kept their lead most of the second half. Texas only went ahead late in the game and was still defeated. Texas has no more right to the title than Oklahoma.

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Chaplain Dt — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:11:41 GMT

How about an OU verus Texas Championship?

(actually I am also pulling for ND to beat USC and drop them out of the top 25 as well)

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Chaplain Dt — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:15:23 GMT

The article also said the timing of the loss shouldn't matter. So a hot team in Sept, should be equal to a hot team in Nov. And a loss in Sept, equal to a loss in Nov.

His article contradicts itself on multiple levels, showing he has some kind of bias against the Sooners, sorta like the NCAA and the zebras in the pack it in-10.

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ben mora — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:15:53 GMT

all you whiiner, crying for tt ahead of texas, see, tt almost lost to baylor, trailing , they had to score 2 td's in the second half, thats just to show you all now, that tt can't be ahead of texas. hahahahah

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David, Edmond, OK — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:06:01 GMT

I am amazed at how so many people want to take from Texas Tech for their loss to Oklahoma, but they don't want to credit Oklahoma for the same.

Balance is what is fair. A teeter-totter or scales represent balance because when one side falls lower, the other side is raised by an equal amount.

If we consider balance and fairness, then by whatever amount we take from Texas Tech for their loss, Oklahoma should get exactly the same rise.

And yet, somehow, some Texas fans think that the scales should be altered so that the loss from Texas Tech is suppose to raise them instead of Oklahoma.

Do scales work that way? If you put something on one side of the teeter-totter today, does it cause the other side to rise yesterday? And does the other side not rise today?

It simply seems that some Texas fans have no sense of balance, fairness, or sportsmanship... as we saw yesterday from their shameless attempts to fly and hand out banners trying to manipulate the scales.

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Mike, Boston, Ma — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:58:51 GMT

Texas beat OU at a neutral site. They are better. No more need for the comparisons. Texas lost to Tech in at TT. Sorry to throw cold water on lame logic.

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Scott Round Rock, Texas — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:27:32 GMT

The whole "if you put Texas ahead of OU than you have to put Texas Tech ahead" logic is nonsense. Texas was barely beaten, Texas Tech was routed *and* barely escaped lowly Baylor. Plus Texas Tech's schedule was comparably weak while Texas played the hardest schedule in college ball this year. Texas beat OU. Texas shouldn't be penalized for not running up points like OU does.

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TC, San Antonio — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:23:24 GMT

So, a bunch of math geeks from Princeton and MIT decided that ou should play for the national championship ahead of the UT team that beat them 45-35 on a neutral field. A truly sorry state of affairs from the Bull-Crap Series. Only good thing is Florida will POUND the okies....go Gators!

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SportFactor, Mustang — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:15:49 GMT

The BCS was put in to take out subjectivity. The voters did vote Texas in. But if Texas wants to pad it's non-conference with Florida Atlantic, UTEP, Arkansas, and Rice then you reap what you sow... Strength of schedule should count and that is why OU won the Big XII.

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Kenneth — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:49:12 GMT

Texas did not play the hardest schedule in football. OU has a harder strength of schedule. Don't get on here and just make stuff up. OU played 6 top 25 teams and texas only played 4.

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Bo O'Heffernan — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:32:00 GMT

Anybody that has followed,coached or played any level of football, knows that on a given day/night, the worst team can beat the best team... That's a given... Home games can affect the outcome, poor refereeing, colds or flue on key players, non-elgible key players for that week, bad weather...

Teams improve as the season goes on... One week/month later and the final score could be totally reversed... We've all seen it...

In the final evaluation of/for a three way tie, you can only consider the total points scored by and against the three subject teams... BUT, the rules need to be specified, set forth and acknowledged in writing by each coach before their season starts...

Every conference needs a winner and the different conferrence playoffs should be the Bowl Games at the end of the season, with the final championship game to be played in the Vistory Bowl on Saturday the day before the Super Bowl game... Played in a warm weather winter climate city... Preferably Phoenix, LA or San Diego...

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Frank Barber - Stillwater, OK — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:13:26 GMT

I have never in my life seen more idiotic B.S. as I have seen written from those who are obviously sooner fans. So to settle this argument, and do so using sooner "logic", here's what the rankings should be done in the Big 12 South.

1. Texas Tech
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Oklahoma Stae
5. Baylor
6. Texas A&M

But I have a hunch that no sooner fan is going to accept this. After all, they murdered TT after having two weeks to prepared for them in a home game, and Texas lost to them in the final seconds of a road game at then end of a very though four-game schedule.

College football has it's enjoyable moments, but I am so eternally grateful that my life does not revolve around a college football team like the majority of people who live in or who have been raised in Oklahoma. Seems it is ALL these folks live for. How sad. How very, very sad.

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Joe Johnson, Dallas, Texas — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:23:26 GMT

Any one who believes that Texas Tech should even be considered in the big 12 south is an idiot. Does anybody remember the game against a mediocre Nebraska team? A game that should have been won by nebraska, the only reason tech won was because of a coaching mistake made in the 2nd quarter. With this said texas should be the one goin for the big 12 championship with there win over texas.

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Jim — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:04:40 GMT

And why do we rank teams every week? because they are playing weaker or stronger than their competition. The computers rated the team wins at the time they played (rankings). If Oklahoma played a highschool team should it count as much as ranked OSU? On Saturday who was the stronger team, A&M or OSU? C'mon anyone who calls himself a sportswriter can figure it out and if so then we all should find it easy.

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Judy, N Richland Hills Texas — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:32:27 GMT

You know what I like about this blog - none of it actually is true. Sam won the heisman and OU is in the national championship - Just following the rules guys as much as it hurts for ya!

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Mike — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:33:00 GMT

Here's hoping you all just sit back and watch Florida and the "Tim Tebow Show" settle all the doubters and what-if's.

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Laura Henderson, Tulsa, OK — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:19:14 GMT

OK, so maybe Texas beat OU. Sooo? That was one game. OU remained undefeated until that game. Even though it didn't go the way I would have wished it, its fine since we made it to the BCS game. (even though we lost). :( But you have to admit that there were some really messed up plays in that game. And whats up with Texas banners going over some of OU's games after the lost? Like Texas hadn't lost before!! Anyways.. OU definately deserved to go to the championship! BOOMER!